1 Peter 2:24

[Van]

Nor is it relevant to the topic of the meaning of 1 Peter 2:4.

Supralapsarianism vs Infalapsarianism was also not addressed.
YEC was also not addressed.
The parable of Lazarus and the Rich man was also not addressed.

Do you see a pattern here?

Try talking about 1 Peter 2:4 (the topic) rather than your hatred of Calvinism or your pet Sotierology.

Yet another you, you, you post devoid of truth or on topic discussion.

 

[37818]

The Greek εις for "in" or “on” here is translated as "on."

It is not stating that anyone is being “believed into” Christ Jesus in the sense that Gal 3:27 describes being “baptized into Christ”.

1 Corithians 10:2, teaches that Israel was baptized into Moses, ". . . were all baptized unto Moses . . . ."
And so Romans 6:3-4, teaches we are baptized into Christ's death as our burial with Him, ". . . Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: . . ."

 

[Brightfame52]

1 Peter 2:9-10 precludes that claim, no matter how often it is made.

You can quote that passage all you want, it doesnt change anything.

 

[37818]

I dont even see how that comment relates. Im saying 1 Pet 2:24 teaches that Christs death brings about the Salvation of those He died for.

1 Peter 2:24, ". . . Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. . . ." There is nothing in that verse which teaches all for whom Christ died will be saved.

 

[atpollard]

1 Corithians 10:2, teaches that Israel was baptized into Moses, ". . . were all baptized unto Moses . . . ."
And so Romans 6:3-4, teaches we are baptized into Christ's death as our burial with Him, ". . . Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: . . ."

We are speaking past one another. I am challenging NONE of what you are saying except the VERY SPECIFIC claim that anyone is "believed INTO Jesus Christ" as a biblical teaching. My argument has NOTHING to do with "many" or "few" or "all". It is closer to ... "You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder." [James 2:19]

 

[Brightfame52]

1 Peter 2:24, ". . . Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. . . ." There is nothing in that verse which teaches all for whom Christ died will be saved.

Sure it does, Its an legit inference since those He died for are healed. How were they healed according to the testimony of the verse ?

 

[Van]

You can quote that passage all you want, it doesnt change anything.

Yes, Ephesians 1:4 does not refer to our individual election, because if it did, we would always have been a people. But 1 Peter 2:9-10 says once we were not a people, thus the Calvinist misinterpretation of Ephesians 1:4 is unbiblical.

 

[atpollard]

The TOPIC, for those that have forgotten is:

1 Peter 2:24

Question 1: Now what do think stripes mean here ?

Question 2: And what do you believe healed is here ?

 

[AustinC]

Peter is addressing people who were indentured servants (slaves) and instructing them how they ought to respond to unjust treatment. He points to Christ Jesus as the example to follow, pointing out that Jesus took an unjust beating for their just sins.
What a practical example to these believers who were indentured servants. How they must have related to Jesus work on their behalf. How gracious is our King that He would receive an unjust beating for us, who justly deserve the beating and scourging for our wicked behavior.
Thus Peter reminds them that they (we) were straying (prone to wander, Lord I feel it...), but by Christ receiving our punishment, the Shepherd and Overseer calls us back.
What a loving passage.

1 Peter 2:18-25

Servants, be subject to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the unjust. For this is a gracious thing, when, mindful of God, one endures sorrows while suffering unjustly. For what credit is it if, when you sin and are beaten for it, you endure? But if when you do good and suffer for it you endure, this is a gracious thing in the sight of God. For to this you have been called, because Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example, so that you might follow in his steps. He committed no sin, neither was deceit found in his mouth. When he was reviled, he did not revile in return; when he suffered, he did not threaten, but continued entrusting himself to him who judges justly. He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness. By his wounds you have been healed. For you were straying like sheep, but have now returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls.

 

[37818]

Sure it does, Its an legit inference since those He died for are healed. How were they healed according to the testimony of the verse ?

Our, we and ye are not all for whom or why Christ died for all.

 

[Brightfame52]

Yes, Ephesians 1:4 does not refer to our individual election, because if it did, we would always have been a people. But 1 Peter 2:9-10 says once we were not a people, thus the Calvinist misinterpretation of Ephesians 1:4 is unbiblical.

This is a rabbit trail sir.

 

[Brightfame52]

Our, we and ye are not all for whom or why Christ died for all.

How were they healed according to the testimony of the verse ?

 

[Van]

This is a rabbit trail sir.

Yet another denial of truth devoid to content. Once we were not a people means we existed as "not a people" before we became a people chosen for God's own possession. See 1 Peter 2:9-10. Thus the Calvinist view of Ephesians 1:4 is the bogus bunny trail leading to false doctrine.

 

[Brightfame52]

Yet another denial of truth devoid to content. Once we were not a people means we existed as "not a people" before we became a people chosen for God's own possession. See 1 Peter 2:9-10. Thus the Calvinist view of Ephesians 1:4 is the bogus bunny trail leading to false doctrine.

Christs death heals them He died for, brings about their Salvation 1 Pet 2:24

24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

 

[Van]

Christs death heals them He died for, brings about their Salvation 1 Pet 2:24

24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Christ's death heals those God places into Christ and nobody else. Christ died for all humankind, to provide the means of salvation (propitiation) but only those placed into Christ by grace through faith are saved.

 

[Yeshua1]

Christ's death heals those God places into Christ and nobody else. Christ died for all humankind, to provide the means of salvation (propitiation) but only those placed into Christ by grace through faith are saved.

The saved are those whom God intended to be saved, His elect!

 

[Van]

The saved are those whom God intended to be saved, His elect!

Yet another claim without definition. Of course God intended to saved those He saves. Good Grief...

God did not choose individuals for salvation before creation, 1 Peter 2:9-10.

God chooses individuals for salvation through faith in the truth, thus during our lifetime. 2 Thessalonians 2:13

Christ's death heals those God places into Christ and nobody else. Christ died for all humankind, to provide the means of salvation (propitiation) but only those placed into Christ by grace through faith are saved.

 

[Yeshua1]

Yet another claim without definition. Of course God intended to saved those He saves. Good Grief...

God did not choose individuals for salvation before creation, 1 Peter 2:9-10.

God chooses individuals for salvation through faith in the truth, thus during our lifetime. 2 Thessalonians 2:13

God already had predestination them to get saved in Christ before even were born!

 

[Van]

God already had predestination them to get saved in Christ before even were born!

Endless false claims are spewed by Calvinists. No one was ever predestined to be saved, but once saved we are predestined to (1) be conformed to the image of His Son, and (2) to be bodily redeemed at Christ's second coming. (Romans 8:29, Ephesians 1:5 and Romans 8:23)

 

[Yeshua1]

Endless false claims are spewed by Calvinists. No one was ever predestined to be saved, but once saved we are predestined to (1) be conformed to the image of His Son, and (2) to be bodily redeemed at Christ's second coming. (Romans 8:29, Ephesians 1:5 and Romans 8:23)

Before the foundation of the earth we were predestinated!