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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Yeshua1, Feb 16, 2021.

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  1. Yeshua1

    Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
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    They are seeking to get saved by own human efforst and their works, as mankind always sought a god after own making!
     
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    Here's the entire passage. Context helps show your misreading.

    Luke 13:22-30

    He went on his way through towns and villages, teaching and journeying toward Jerusalem. And someone said to him, “Lord, will those who are saved be few?” And he said to them, “Strive to enter through the narrow door. For many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able. When once the master of the house has risen and shut the door, and you begin to stand outside and to knock at the door, saying, ‘Lord, open to us,’ then he will answer you, ‘I do not know where you come from.’ Then you will begin to say, ‘We ate and drank in your presence, and you taught in our streets.’ But he will say, ‘I tell you, I do not know where you come from. Depart from me, all you workers of evil!’ In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God but you yourselves cast out. And people will come from east and west, and from north and south, and recline at table in the kingdom of God. And behold, some are last who will be first, and some are first who will be last.”

    (My guess is Van doesn't even read the passage, but immediately says ...Calvinists...
    Let's sit back and see the response to God's word.)
     
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    Here Calvinism defines salvation through faith as salvation by works, the opposite of Romans 4.
     
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    Note the passage still teaches many not zero seek God. Calvinism is obviously unbiblical nonsense.
     
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    None seek to come to God by His grace until saved, as all lost sinners desire and dictate to get saved by their own efforts and works!
     
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    Repeated denial of Luke 13:24. Many seek but few find salvation by grace through or by reason of faith. In any event, the Calvinist bogus claim that none ever at any time seek God is obviously false doctrine.
     
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    Note the usual defense of Calvinism, post an avalanche of false claims.
     
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    David is talking about himself! do you believe that the Word of God has contradictions?
     
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    you are arguing aginist what the Bible teaches as FACT, by your human reasoning! show from the 4 passages that anything else can be seen?
     
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    your argument is against the Word of God!
     
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    Notice who is in control in that passage. Hint: it isn't the seekers.
     
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    answer the 4 passges. show that any other meaning is meant? or simply admit that you are WRONG!
     
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    So both Isaiah and Paul under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit lied to us?
     
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    No, just your misunderstanding of what is being taught!
     
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    Notice the truth of scripture, that some of the lost seek God some of the time, Luke 13:23, Calvinism "T" is as bogus as a three dollar bill.
     
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    Are we friends or at war against God before saved?
     
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    The Calvinism that you rail against all of the time none of us hold to!
     
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    Endless subject change false charges are the stock and trade of false teachers, because the truth of scripture is clear, many seek salvation thus the "T" of Calvinism is unbiblical. Luke 13:23
     
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    I address with truth from scripture the Calvinism presented in published documents. So the ploy of denying Calvinist doctrines (TULIP) simply demonstrates a lack of candor of its defenders.

    The T is bogus, Luke 13:23
    The U is bogus 2 Thessalonians 2:13
    The L is bogus 1 Timothy 2:6
    The I is bogus Matthew 23:13

    The P is valid, OSAS
     
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    again I ask, show from the 4 passages what they mean then. Isaiah and Romans are very clear. Unless you hold that there are contradictions in the Bible?
     
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