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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by AustinC, Feb 13, 2021.

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  1. Aaron

    Aaron Member
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    You're right to say you conceive of that stupidity, because no Calvinist asserts such a thing.
     
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    :Roflmao Not sure what Calvinists you're reading, but there is more factual truth in the noise of our farts than in the fables you're posting.
     
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    You have either a high view of your flatulence or a low view of the arguments being presented.

    Man, at his best, is a mere breath (puff of air), so maybe you are right either way. lol

    peace to you
     
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    So Calvin here was right, that the road to hell paved by bodies of new born?
     
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    Did Adam choose willing to sin and cause all of us to fall in Him?
     
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    Guess that some here understand this all better then God Himself does, eh?
     
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    He confuses me on this issue, as I stated that agreed with Spurgeon that no babies will be damned by god, and he said that was stupid? So which is it, some babies damned, or none, as he dislikes both views it seems!
     
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    HoS is a full on Pelagian. Thus he will hate any classical theology that views humankind as born in corruption.
     
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    The point is not that here. The point is, once Adam sinned, was it not God that determined the extent of the effects of the corruption? Was it not God that so constituted FALLEN man as to be unable/unwilling to believe?
     
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    Of course they do. But only a fraction of them are consistent enough or bold enough to assert it out loud, the imperfect nature of his illustration notwithstanding.
     
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    Is not God honoring though what they desire to do?
     
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    No, man's own depraved thoughts and actions determine the extent of the effects of that corruption. Man is entirely to blame.

    No, man in his own rebellion, made himself unable/unwilling to believe. Man is entirely to blame.

    It amazes me that you are so quick to blame God for man's wickedness.

    You show your arrogance.

    But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?”
    ~ Romans 9:20

    For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things. Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.
    ~ Romans 1:21-25
     
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    Just seems that the unspoken concern among many non cals would be the issue of "fairness"
     
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    Ok, I quit.
     
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    I quit.
     
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    Yes, they assert almost exactly that.
    Either educate yourself, or stop posting.
     
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    No, despite your crudeness....
    I'm quite accurate.
    Stop boring people with your pithy quips and quotes.
    They were never as charming as you thought they were,
     
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    1.) Adam indeed chose.
    2.) Adam "caused" us to do nothing....except to die
    3.) We all "die" because of Adam
    4.) Even Jesus "died"
    5.) Jesus did NOT escape the fate of Adam..........he was the second Adam
    6.) But, Jesus still died, because he was a man, like all other men.
    7.) But, Jesus was bodily resurrected.............
    8.) The bodily resurrection is the first-fruits of our hope.....in fact, it's the hope of all of God's creation:
    Not the Penal Substitution

    The resurrection is the end of the passion story, and it's what gives the entire creation hope........
    Not just man, but the entire planet.

    Calvinists ignore about 50% of the gospel because they think the resurrection is a liner-note.

    Christ's death means nothing if he wasn't a man (As Calvinism asserts)
    Christ's death is the sole means of Salvation for mankind and the Resurrection means nothing (As Calvinism asserts).

    Calvinism is so ignorant of the scope of the gospel that it is hardly worth real scholarly debate.
    Calvinism thinks the gospel is solely concerned about white people "getting saved".
    It's the most myopic world-view imaginable.
     
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    Put up or shut up. Let's see the assertions.
     
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    Wait!What?
    1) Adam received a curse for breaking covenant with God. Did Jesus break covenant with God?
    You have it wrong. Jesus never experienced Adam's fate. If he had, he would not have been able to redeem sinners.
    2) Jesus chose his fate, which was an obedient act of penal sacrifice upon the cross to redeem all those whom the Father gave him to redeem. He willingly died and endured the cross. He had all authority to choose otherwise.
    3) You seem to openly deny the deity of Christ Jesus, making him just another man like Adam.
    4) The penal substitution is the paid in full sacrifice for all whom the Father has given. The resurrection is proof that Jesus is who he always claimed, God incarnate.

    HoS, your theology has been historically condemned, from your Pelagian position to your teaching on the deity of Christ, to your rejection of penal substitution. I doubt, very much, that you have anything to do with a Baptist Church.
     
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