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Do Calvinists Affirm Free Will then?

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Van

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Reformed1689 said:
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The fuller context of that passage shows they were not truly seeking God.

22 He went on his way through towns and villages, teaching and journeying toward Jerusalem. 23 And someone said to him, “Lord, will those who are saved be few?” And he said to them, 24 “Strive to enter through the narrow door. For many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able. 25 When once the master of the house has risen and shut the door, and you begin to stand outside and to knock at the door, saying, ‘Lord, open to us,’ then he will answer you, ‘I do not know where you come from.’ 26 Then you will begin to say, ‘We ate and drank in your presence, and you taught in our streets.’ 27 But he will say, ‘I tell you, I do not know where you come from. Depart from me, all you workers of evil!’ 28 In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God but you yourselves cast out. 29 And people will come from east and west, and from north and south, and recline at table in the kingdom of God. 30 And behold, some are last who will be first, and some are first who will be last.”
The Holy Bible: English Standard Version (Wheaton, IL: Crossway Bibles, 2016), Lk 13:22–30.
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There is no "they were not truly seeking God," because some of them found God. All these scripture does not mean what it says shows a willingness to deny God's word.
 
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Van said:
Ask yourselves why this passage was posted? To imply it somehow supports the "T" of Calvinism? Yes. But does it? Of course not. Are any natural people, people of flesh, unregenerate righteous? Nope. Do we start out understanding the gospel? No of course not. Do we seek God? Yes. Luke 13:23. So are we seeking God when turned aside? Nope. Have we all turned aside? Yes. So no one seeks God all of the time. We are not seeking God when sinning. The point of the passage is to demonstrate from OT scripture we are all under sin.
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You are free to talk yourself out of what Paul tells us. You asked for scripture. I gave you scripture.
 
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Van said:
Thanks for demonstrating no verse says no one seeks God "at any time." The "at any time" is not found or suggested in the above text. OTOH, Luke 13:23 clearly teaches some of the lost seek God, for many will seek the narrow path.
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You have added to those verses in order to create a teaching not found in the text.
The text tells me what it tells me. It doesn't tell me what you are claiming. I trust God over you.
 
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AustinC said:
You are free to talk yourself out of what Paul tells us. You asked for scripture. I gave you scripture.
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It is amazing how absurdity is used to defend false biblical doctrine.
Calvinism - nobody ever at any time seeks God
Jesus many seek the narrow gate.
 
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AustinC said:
You have added to those verses in order to create a teaching not found in the text.
The text tells me what it tells me. It doesn't tell me what you are claiming. I trust God over you.
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Here is the classic Calvinist defense, deny actual Calvinist doctrine. Pathetic.
If you believe Jesus, and that many seek the narrow path, you cannot believe no one ever at any time seeks God. The "T" of Calvinism is unbiblical nonsense.
 
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Van said:
There is no "they were not truly seeking God," because some of them found God. All these scripture does not mean what it says shows a willingness to deny God's word.
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In that passage, where do we find "and some found God"? Please quote this for us.
 
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Van said:
Here is the classic Calvinist defense, deny actual Calvinist doctrine. Pathetic.
If you believe Jesus, and that many seek the narrow path, you cannot believe no one ever at any time seeks God. The "T" of Calvinism is unbiblical nonsense.
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What does the text say? I will sit back and let the text speak.

Romans 3:10-18

As it is written: “None is righteous, no, not one; no one understands; no one seeks for God. All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one.” “Their throat is an open grave; they use their tongues to deceive.” “The venom of asps is under their lips.” “Their mouth is full of curses and bitterness.” “Their feet are swift to shed blood; in their paths are ruin and misery, and the way of peace they have not known.” “There is no fear of God before their eyes.”
 
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Van said:
It is amazing how absurdity is used to defend false biblical doctrine.
Calvinism - nobody ever at any time seeks God
Jesus many seek the narrow gate.
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It is amazing how absurdity is used to defend false biblical doctrine.

Vanism - only those who are in sin do not seek.

God:
As it is written: “None is righteous, no, not one; no one understands; no one seeks for God. All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one.” “Their throat is an open grave; they use their tongues to deceive.” “The venom of asps is under their lips.” “Their mouth is full of curses and bitterness.” “Their feet are swift to shed blood; in their paths are ruin and misery, and the way of peace they have not known.” “There is no fear of God before their eyes.”
~ Romans 3:10-18
 
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AustinC said:
Romans 3:10-18
As it is written: “None is righteous, no, not one; no one understands; no one seeks for God. All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one.” “Their throat is an open grave; they use their tongues to deceive.” “The venom of asps is under their lips.” “Their mouth is full of curses and bitterness.” “Their feet are swift to shed blood; in their paths are ruin and misery, and the way of peace they have not known.” “There is no fear of God before their eyes.”
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Paul was inspired, so trust his viewpoint on this over one held by Van!
 
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Van said:
There is no "they were not truly seeking God," because some of them found God. All these scripture does not mean what it says shows a willingness to deny God's word.
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The ONLY lost sinners that will ever seek after the Lord would be those whom the father draws to Jesus to get saved!
 
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AustinC said:
What does the text say? I will sit back and let the text speak.

Romans 3:10-18

As it is written: “None is righteous, no, not one; no one understands; no one seeks for God. All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one.” “Their throat is an open grave; they use their tongues to deceive.” “The venom of asps is under their lips.” “Their mouth is full of curses and bitterness.” “Their feet are swift to shed blood; in their paths are ruin and misery, and the way of peace they have not known.” “There is no fear of God before their eyes.”
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Mindless regularization of a passage that disproves Calvinism and support no one seeks God all the time.
 
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AustinC said:
It is amazing how absurdity is used to defend false biblical doctrine.

Vanism - only those who are in sin do not seek.

God:
As it is written: “None is righteous, no, not one; no one understands; no one seeks for God. All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one.” “Their throat is an open grave; they use their tongues to deceive.” “The venom of asps is under their lips.” “Their mouth is full of curses and bitterness.” “Their feet are swift to shed blood; in their paths are ruin and misery, and the way of peace they have not known.” “There is no fear of God before their eyes.”
~ Romans 3:10-18
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On and on, posting a complete denial that many seek the narrow gate. They have no shame.
 
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Yeshua1 said:
The ONLY lost sinners that will ever seek after the Lord would be those whom the father draws to Jesus to get saved!
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Again the repeat of false doctrine, no verse says or suggests folks do not seek God unless drawn. You have to be drawn in order to "come to Me." They refer to "A" and then claim they have addressed "B." Complete rubbish.
The many who seek the narrow gate would include those drawn by greed rather than love.
 
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