What happens to babies when they die?

[SavedByGrace]

It is amazing to me the gymnastics you are willing to go through to deny the MULTIPLE Scriptures that state VERY CLEARLY that all, including infants, have sinned.


None of these speak of sinlessness of born infants. None of them.


Except it doesn't. To say that it does is dishonest.

 

[Dave G]

The Bible tell us very clearly, and those who will listen, will learn, and the rest will remain in their ignorance!

I agree.
He that has ears to hear, let him hear.

I cannot see why anyone should have a problem in understanding 2 Samuel 12:22-23, for exactly what it very clearly says.

I cannot see why anyone has a problem understanding and accepting Romans 1:18-32, Romans 3:10-18, Romans 3:23, Ecclesiastes 7:20 and many more, SBG...
For exactly what they very clearly say.

Respectfully, it seem to me as if you're rejecting parts of God's word in favor of other parts, and not accepting the whole;
As if it can be divided up into "essential" and "non-essential" instead of all of it being carefully considered and weighed, leaving not one word out.

Frankly,
It puzzles me to see professing believers do this with the Scriptures.

 

[SavedByGrace]

I agree.
He that has ears to hear, let him hear.

I cannot see why anyone has a problem understanding and accepting Romans 1:18-32, Romans 3:10-18, Romans 3:23, Ecclesiastes 7:20 and many more, SBG...
For exactly what they very clearly say.

Respectfully, it seem to me as if you're rejecting parts of God's word in favor of other parts, and not accepting the whole;
As if it can be divided up into "essential" and "non-essential" instead of all of it being carefully considered and weighed, leaving not one word out.

Frankly,
It puzzles me to see professing believers do this with the Scriptures.

Why should it puzzle you when that is exactly what reformed theology does in salvation

 

[Reformed1689]

Why should it puzzle you when that is exactly what reformed theology does in salvation

Why do you keep bringing up Reformed Theology instead of actually dealing with the topic and arguments presented to you? That shows a clear bias that just because someone holds to a Reformed Soteriology that you must reject everything they say on every topic. Yet you have the audacity to say we are the ones blinded by our theology....

 

[SavedByGrace]

Why do you keep bringing up Reformed Theology instead of actually dealing with the topic and arguments presented to you? That shows a clear bias that just because someone holds to a Reformed Soteriology that you must reject everything they say on every topic. Yet you have the audacity to say we are the ones blinded by our theology....

I can't be more clearer than I have been over and over. That reformed/calvinistic teaching on salvation of sinners is another gospel and against the teaching of the Bible. It is disgraceful to suggest that Jesus does not desire the salvation of every single human being in the world, and an insult to the Death of Jesus Christ

 

[Reformed1689]

I can't be more clearer than I have been over and over. That reformed/calvinistic teaching on salvation of sinners is another gospel and against the teaching of the Bible. It is disgraceful to suggest that Jesus does not desire the salvation of every single human being in the world, and an insult to the Death of Jesus Christ

What does any of that have to do with what I said to you or this topic? Nothing. Your bias is what is glaring. It is your theology you cannot look past. It is not the Word of God you are reading it is the personal theology of @SavedByGrace and that is what is abundantly clear.

I see that it is most likely useless even talking to you because you write us off before you even read what we say. That is also made clear by your responses that usually ignore what we have actually said.

 

[SavedByGrace]

What does any of that have to do with what I said to you or this topic? Nothing. Your bias is what is glaring. It is your theology you cannot look past. It is not the Word of God you are reading it is the personal theology of @SavedByGrace and that is what is abundantly clear.

I see that it is most likely useless even talking to you because you write us off before you even read what we say. That is also made clear by your responses that usually ignore what we have actually said.

I have said this before to you, you are not forced to comment on my threads nor respond to what I say. You must know by now that I am 100% universal redemption which I fully believe to be what the Bible Teaches. Please don't make your rather childish remarks just because you don't agree with the Truth of the Bible on salvation

 

[Reformed1689]

I have said this before to you, you are not forced to comment on my threads nor respond to what I say. You must know by now that I am 100% universal redemption which I fully believe to be what the Bible Teaches. Please don't make your rather childish remarks just because you don't agree with the Truth of the Bible on salvation

SO YOU FINALLY ADMIT IT! You are a universalist! This is not biblical in any way.

 

[SavedByGrace]

SO YOU FINALLY ADMIT IT! You are a universalist! This is not biblical in any way.

I am sure that you just like to argue for the sake of arguing. I do NOT and never have believed in universal salvation. But I most certainly do believe in the universal Death of Jesus Christ, that He intended to shed His blood also for Judas and ALL other sinners. Repentance and faith are requirements for the sinner to appropriate this salvation for themselves.

Can you grasp this

 

[SavedByGrace]

SO YOU FINALLY ADMIT IT! You are a universalist! This is not biblical in any way.

 

[Reformed1689]

I am sure that you just like to argue for the sake of arguing. I do NOT and never have believed in universal salvation. But I most certainly do believe in the universal Death of Jesus Christ, that He intended to shed His blood also for Judas and ALL other sinners. Repentance and faith are requirements for the sinner to appropriate this salvation for themselves.

Can you grasp this

You said you believe in universal redemption.

 

[Reformed1689]

But I most certainly do believe in the universal Death of Jesus Christ, that He intended to shed His blood also for Judas and ALL other sinners. Repentance and faith are requirements for the sinner to appropriate this salvation for themselves.

So some of his blood was wasted then? His payment for some sin was not effectual?

 

[SavedByGrace]

You said you believe in universal redemption.

Do you ever understand what that means. Check it out before you make silly remarks

 

[SavedByGrace]

So some of his blood was wasted then? His payment for some sin was not effectual?

Shows that you really don't understand the Gospel

 

[Reformed1689]

Do you ever understand what that means. Check it out before you make silly remarks

Do you think redemption and atonement are the same thing?

 

[Reformed1689]

Shows that you really don't understand the Gospel

I understand that the Gospel says that Christ did not come for every individual. He came for the ones the Father gave to Him.

 

[SavedByGrace]

Do you think redemption and atonement are the same thing?

No

 

[SavedByGrace]

I understand that the Gospel says that Christ did not come for every individual. He came for the ones the Father gave to Him.

You still refuse to accept Luke 22 which clearly shows that Jesus gave the bread and wine to Judas and told him that He was going to die for his sins. Because it doesn't agree with your theology. I cannot help you with this until you are open to what the Bible actually says

 

[Reformed1689]

You still refuse to accept Luke 22 which clearly shows that Jesus gave the bread and wine to Judas and told him that He was going to die for his sins. Because it doesn't agree with your theology. I cannot help you with this until you are open to what the Bible actually says

Luke 22 did not say Jesus died for the sins of Judas. You read that into it. That's the part that you do not understand. You are reading things that are not there. You have shown this time and time again.

 

[Reformed1689]

No

Then you should know when you say universal redemption you are saying you are a universalist.