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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by 37818, Feb 23, 2021.

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    Note the lack on any sense, just bogus claims and logical fallacies

    Unless you quote my statement, your claims that I believe (or seem to believe) this or that are obnoxious.

    The Greek grammar of the verb is non-germane. The idea is those early in life have not done anything good or bad. Does this rely on them doing one thing or several things? Nope. Such a claim is bogus. So the verb being plural is non-germane, and the verb tense referring to something NOT done in the past supports the premise.

    My view for the umpteenth time is all humans are made sinners, thus have received the consequence of sin, corruption and separation.

    The only view consistent with all scripture is that all humans are made sinners, which means they are conceived into a separated from God state (realm of darkness) and are spiritually corrupted such that all are predisposed to sin. Thus early in life humans have done nothing good or evil, yet are "sinners" due to the Fall. To be "made sinners" means to have suffered the consequence of sin, separation and corruption.
     
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    Then do the same explicitly for me too, before or immedately after words. Or make no accusation, ask for clarification. I wjll try to be mindful to do the same,
     
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    The only view consistent with all scripture is that all humans are made sinners, which means they are conceived into a separated from God state (realm of darkness) and are spiritually corrupted such that all are predisposed to sin. Thus early in life humans have done nothing good or evil, yet are "sinners" due to the Fall. To be "made sinners" means to have suffered the consequence of sin, separation and corruption.
     
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    By their names being in the book of life. There is no other way. In the Judgment, Revelation 20:15, ". . . whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. Nowhere in the written word of God are we told about names being added io His book. Only being removed.
     
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    Names are in God's book. We are not told when they were added. Names are only said they were written in God's book or to be botted out or not blotted out. The lost do not have their names in God's book. We are told God's kingdom is for the children. And we who are not children must be born of God. That is how I understand this. As no one is sinless except by God providing that as a gift.
     
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    How do infants dying get to heaven
     
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    That is a free gift paid for by Christ.
     
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    where is your Bible text to prove this?
     
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    Romans 6:23, ". . . the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." It is a gift.
     
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    which is only available to those who truly "repent and believe"!
     
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    Wow. You do not then believe in salvation as a free gift. The difference between the little child and the ones who need to believe are the child is already a child and the one who needs to believe in God's Christ needs to be born over by God giving them the second birth. Matthew 18:3, John 3:3.
     
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    what rubbish you write! You are as bad a Van in the things that you say! :rolleyes:
     
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    Chidren grow up and need to be taught Christ so to believe in God's Christ. Salvation is a gift. John 10:27-28. 1 John 5:9-13. 2 Corinthians 13:5. Etc.
     
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    automatic?
     
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    Must be received thru faith!
     
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    For little children who are not old enough to understand to believe in Christ. But will need to when they come of an age to believe.
     
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    What if they die in infancy
     
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    Your question tells me you did not understand. How does that death cause the infant to reject that free gift that God then gives?
     
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    Psalm 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me. KJV

    Psalm 58:3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies. KJV
     
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