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Like being unwilling to address a reasonable inquiry relating to Piper And Gill and the multiple wills of the Trinity.
Regarding Matthew 23:37
Do you agree to this theory?
IMHO its not based on discovery but on proving a theory.

Please prove me mistaken in this matter like I have attempted to do with your earlier assessment of me.

 

typical reformed strawman argument! You guys pick and choose those verse that suit your pet theology, and disgrgard those verses that disagree with you. Again I ask this, have you read Psalm 106:40? what God says about His OWN People?

Therefore the LORD's anger burned against His people, and He abhorred His own inheritance

lets get a honest response to this

 

that has got to be one of the biggest JOKES!

 

same old strawman arguments!

 

When Jesus says "“If anyone comes to me and does not HATE his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple.", does He mean this in the literal sense? Or, does He mean to love Him MORE than everyone and everything else? How could Jesus mean this literally, when the Bible clearly says, "Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him" (1 John 3:15) The fact that it shows in Romans, that God PREFERRED Jacob to Easu, is clear that this is the meaning of "hate" here, that is, "to love less"

 

John Gill and the Charge of Hyper-Calvinism « Biographia Evangelica

In The Cause of God Gill clearly stresses the Christian duty, under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, to call and command sinners to repent. All men are naturally bound to repent, argues Gill, because they have naturally broken the law. Commanding them to repent is putting them under the curse of the law which they have broken in their natural state. To Gill, this is a law-ordained need for repentance in the legal sense. What man has broken, he has a duty to mend.

This does not mean, however, that man can mend what he has broken and obtain legal righteousness, but he is still a debtor to the law for having broken it. The law forces its demands on every one because all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.

What Gill calls evangelical repentance, is for him another matter. He sees this as a turning form sin to receive pardon in Christ. This kind of turning from sin to Christ can only come about by a sovereign act of God`s goodness which leads to true repentance and Gospel righteousness.

Yes, only God can grant repentance to know the truth and be saved, but all men God commands to repent and believe as they have broken the LAW, not God.
It is a sin to not repent and believe the gospel. And sin can only be forgiven by a sovereign decision of God to forgive a sinner, in HIS name is preached the forgiveness of sin.
But you can not come to Christ unless He grants you to know the truth and not impute your sins to you according His mercy for you individually, for you are under the just and right judgement of death for your sins. AND MEN WILL NOT COME OF THEIR OWN FALLEN WILL, just like Christ lamenting the fate of Jerusalem

John 5
39 You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me.
40 But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life.

John 6
63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing (note John 5 above). The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life. 64 But there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who would betray Him. 65 And He said, “Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father.”

2 Timothy 2:24-26
New King James Version
24 And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient,
25 in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth,
26 and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will.

Matthew 11:27
All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.


Luke 10:21-23
New King James Version

21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in the Spirit and said, “I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and prudent and revealed them to babes. Even so, Father, for so it seemed good in Your sight. 22 All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows who the Son is except the Father, and who the Father is except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.”

23 Then He turned to His disciples and said privately, “Blessed are the eyes which see the things you see;

 

Typically you ignore what Jesus says

 

I am talking about Jesus saying that we must hate our family. did He mean this literally? Why can't this same meaning be applied to Jacob and Easu?

 

So you believe that God hates the non elect

 

Dead spiritually. However we can think and hear physically. We hear God's word, His Holy Spirit convicts us of its truth and we respond willfully to accept or reject.

We are making progress here I think.

However we are at Both And instead of Either Or. So, I ask about the 2 wills. God's Desire Will which wants all mankind to come to repentance and the Glory Will which cannot allow this.
Have you read read Piper's theory on this?
It seems a wonderful way to argue TULIP if you can get past a lot of God's word which includes terms like all, us, we and world.

And please do not inform me that I am off topic again surely this is merely deflection.
I am new to this Forum and will try to do better in the future but for now lets have a conversation.

 

I respect your right to disagree, but I don't share in your perspective.
Again, I think I addressed it as fully as can be addressed.

I agree.
Romans 1:18-32 tells us that God purposefully gave us over to them.

If I didn't make this plain before, I'll do it now, George.
I agree.

That said,
If you don't like it, then take it up with your Maker.
I doubt you'll get very far.

That's not me being snotty...
that's me realizing what a precarious position that we as men put ourselves in when we question His right to do as He wishes with His own creations...

Sinful or otherwise.

The truth is, He didn't cause us to disobey Him.
We did that just fine all by ourselves.
All He did was set things up knowing that we would indeed fall;
But does that make Him unrighteous?

Not by any stretch of the imagination.