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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Reformed1689, Mar 25, 2021.

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    That is true. However presently the kingdoms of this world have not become the kingdom of the LORD and of his Christ.
    Also he has not returned and rebuilt the tabernacle of David. David's throne was on the earth in Jerusalem, not in heaven.


    Is what God, presently doing on the earth, taking out a people for his name or not? Is he doing anything else, like ruling with a rod of iron?

    Are the nations presently being deceived by Satan the devil?
     
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    It's Judaizing 'Chiliasm'.
     
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    Not sure what you're trying to say, but yes. We are in the world but not of the world. We are of Christ's kingdom, the New Jerusalem. Old Jerusalem is in bondage to sin and to the law. (The sacrifices were a remembrance of sin Hebrews 10:3. They never took sins away. Hebrews 10:4 ) Sinai is done. Old Jerusalem is done. The bond servant shall not be heir with the son of the free woman. We have entered New Jersalem, which is under grace, not the law, and is free.

    It's not that we will come to Mount Zion. We have come.
     
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    Think of this rather. The strong man's house cannot be spoiled except the stong man is bound--according to Jesus, anyway. You might think differently than He does. But what does it mean that the gates of hell will not prevail against the church?

    Scripture not only supports the notion that Satan is bound, but says it in no uncertain terms. It's your ideas of the nature of those bonds that Scripture doesn't support.
     
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    I asked that question, they declined to answer.
     
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    Which creed are you referring to? By the way, creeds are not Scripture.
     
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    satan being bound would mean no more wars, correct?
     
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    It says it right there in the passage, that's not adding.
     
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    He seems to equate them as being such though!
     
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    The Bible says there will be a physical 1,000 year reign before the final battle. Is that clear enough?
     
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    Many conservatives believe that the book of Revelation was written somewhere around 95 AD.

    Regardless of whether that dating of the book is true or not, John says in that book that the glorified Christ appeared to him and gave him the content of the book.

    The glorified Christ told John to write to the church of Smyrna warning them about what the devil was going to some of them:

    Rev. 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

    We can, therefore, be certain that the binding of Satan spoken of in Revelation 20 had not yet taken place when the glorified Christ appeared to John to give him the book of Revelation. Satan certainly was not bound when the 70 were sent out or at any other time during the earthly life of Christ or during any of the time of the early Church as it has been revealed in the NT.

    Any supposed binding of Satan that has already taken place had to have taken place after the giving of the book of Revelation to John. When was Satan bound in the manner that Rev. 20 speaks about?
     
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    IF satan had been really bound, why were local churches still messed up theology wise then?
     
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    Peter said the "prophets foretold these days." In other words the days we are in now. It was signified by the healing of the lame man. That Prophet has come. He has ascended to the Throne. Repent or die.
     
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    Jesus Himself said that the Kingdom now not to Israel, but did not say was forever removed!
     
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    Again, Old Jerusalem is done. We have come to the Heavenly Jerusalem. Galatians 4 , Hebrews 12 . It appears you're not judging by faith, but by sight.

    Not sure. There is a time at the end of the thousand years that he will be loosed. I think if we live to see those days, we could see some scary stuff. Halloween scary. 'The Exorcist' scary. Sorcerers turning sticks to snakes scary. Missionaries saying the devils are no longer subject to us scary.
     
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    Why do you keep ignoring the points that were made from Galatians and Hebrews that you are contradicting?
     
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    No. Where do you get that idea?

    And why do you keep ignoring the point about the ineffectiveness of preaching if he weren't?
     
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    Show me the word 'physical'
     
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