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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Reformed1689, Mar 25, 2021.

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  1. Yeshua1

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    Also will highlight in the end that despite having a perfect Kingdom and reign, lost sinners will stay revolt!
     
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    They did not do that! Many ECF held to historical premil view!
     
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    That the Gentiles be deceived no more? (off the cuff)
     
  4. Yeshua1

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    ANY reason to see it as being symbolic number?
     
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    Premil position has NEVER been defined as heresy!
     
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    When will those brought back to life to reign with Jesus out from the great tribulation be then?
     
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    He was more right on this then you are though!
     
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    The kingdom was there in a spiritual sense and it was also there in that its King was present, but it was not there in the physical sense in which it will one day come.
     
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    IF he was locked away right now, would be no more false religions and isms in world, right?
     
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    The tabernacle, or family, of David is rebuilt. The Son of David is reigning. Haven't you heard? He is King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

    It's not that Christ will be Kings of Kings and Lord of Lords. It's that He IS King of Kings and Lord of Lords. Bow the knee or die.
     
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    Peter preached isreal to be restored when Messiah comes again, do you?
     
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    Be specific.
     
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    The camp of the saints is not the kingdom, Paradise. Satan does not attack Paradise. They literally do not attack anything. They march across the earth towards Jerusalem, the camp of the saints, but fire consumes them before they even get there. At least have the facts correct?
     
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    The Gospel can't go forth and spoil the strong man's house unless that strong man is bound. Matthew 12:29.

    That binding occurred when the 70 were sent out.

    Luk 10:17-20 And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name. And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you. Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.
     
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    But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels,

    but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all.

    How did we come, to Mount Zion, the heavenly Jerusalem, Jerusalem above, the mother of us all?
    Acts 15:8 and the heart-knowing God did bare them testimony, having given to them the Holy Spirit, even as also to us,

    Is that it? Is that how we were put into the mother of us all, Mount Zion? By having the first-fruit of the Spirit? Are we currently in the church?

    for the earnest looking out of the creation doth expect the revelation of the sons of God;
    for we have known that all the creation doth groan together, and doth travail in pain together till now. And not only so, but also we ourselves, having the first-fruit of the Spirit, we also ourselves in ourselves do groan, adoption expecting -- the redemption of our body;

    Are those birth terms? Are those who have the first-fruit of the Spirit, groaning within themselves, awaiting birth?
    Has Zion given birth to her children?

    IMHO

    Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

    The kingdom of God is the kingdom of God, there is only one.
     
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    So, was 'her that was old in adulteries' destroyed in 24 hours or in one hour?

    8 Therefore in one day shall her plagues come, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire; for strong is the Lord God who judged her.
    10 standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Woe, woe, the great city, Babylon, the strong city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.
    17 for in an hour so great riches is made desolate. And every shipmaster, and every one that saileth any wither, and mariners, and as many as gain their living by sea, stood afar off,
    19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and mourning, saying, Woe, woe, the great city, wherein all that had their ships in the sea were made rich by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate. Rev 18
     
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    If that binding occurred when the 70 were sent out, how did Satan sift Peter at a much later point (Lk. 22:31) if he were already bound earlier?

    Also, long after the supposed binding that occurred when the 70 went out took place, this happened:

    1. Luke 22:3
      Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve.

    2. John 13:27
      And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly.
    Also, how did Satan fill the heart of Ananias (Acts 5:3) to lie to the Spirit if he were already bound when the 70 were sent out?

    Scripture does not support the notion that Satan was bound when the 70 were sent out.
     
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    Just temporarily, right? First, Christ is already King, and His statement to Pilate was that His kingdom was not of this world.
     
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    Where?
     
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    He is not yet directly ruling, is he? is he not right now doing His thing as our High priest?
     
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    Acts 3:17-21
     
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