What is Catholicism?

[1689Dave]

The fact is baptists do disagee on the interpertation of baptism in a number of New Testament texts.
And you favor a corrupt reading over the text which is suppoted by some 79% of the Jude manuscrips.

Is Jesus God? If so, how can he not be Jesus in Jude 5?

 

[Titus Tarnum]

Jesus Christ stated:

Matthew 28:19
Go, therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,

Amen!


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[Titus Tarnum]

Where do you read how Jesus baptized others?

You misunderstand what I was trying to say, Jesus went down to the Jordan got into the water and then came out of it. That's how Jesus was baptized and that's how I want to do it. I never said that he baptized anyone, but that's what you got out of that whole conversation? I answered your question please answer mine, you say the baptism doesn't save and I asked you if baptism is necessary for obedience? I guess they should've made a move instead of written a book so you could've seen how things went down exactly…


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[AustinC]

Scripture teaches complete immersion in water. Any baptist should know this. Do you think all were immediately baptized, or possibly within a certain time-frame?

Show the law on your assertion. Show exactly where scripture demands full immersion in order to be baptized. You are displaying Pharisaic tendencies. Provide scripture rather than tradition.

 

[1689Dave]

Show the law on your assertion. Show exactly where scripture demands full immersion in order to be baptized. You are displaying Pharisaic tendencies. Provide scripture rather than tradition.

If you study baptism from baptist resources, they put several verses together to develop a complete statement. You need to study this and then try to have an informed discussion.

 

[AustinC]

You misunderstand what I was trying to say, Jesus went down to the Jordan got into the water and then came out of it. That's how Jesus was baptized and that's how I want to do it. I never said that he baptized anyone, but that's what you got out of that whole conversation? I answered your question please answer mine, you say the baptism doesn't save and I asked you if baptism is necessary for obedience? I guess they should've made a move instead of written a book so you could've seen how things went down exactly…


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I understand how John the Baptist used the Jordan River to baptize. Again, provide the exact process John used. I mean, we don't want to make a mortal mistake here. Did he immerse to his left side or his right. Did John say "In the name of Jesus" or did he say something else? If we must follow the law, what is the exact wording of the law? (Do you see how exasperating the law is?)

 

[AustinC]

If you study baptism from baptist resources, they put several verses together to develop a complete statement. You need to study this and then try to have an informed discussion.

So you get your legalism from your baptist tradition, not from the Bible. Good to know.
I have no need to study someone's tradition. I have a need to study God's word.
If we live under the law and there is only one means of baptism under the law, then show me this law in scripture. Otherwise, you are acting like a Pharisee.

 

[Titus Tarnum]

What we should really be talking about if this is a conversation about Catholicism (Roman Catholicism m?) is the "Sacrifice of Mass", that subject is the most infamous of all Catholic doctrines in my opinion.


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[1689Dave]

So you get your legalism from your baptist tradition, not from the Bible. Good to know.
I have no need to study someone's tradition. I have a need to study God's word.
If we live under the law and there is only one means of baptism under the law, then show me this law in scripture. Otherwise, you are acting like a Pharisee.

Insults now? Have you ever studied from a Baptist theology book? Why argue without understanding the position?

 

[Titus Tarnum]

So you get your legalism from your baptist tradition, not from the Bible. Good to know.
I have no need to study someone's tradition. I have a need to study God's word.
If we live under the law and there is only one means of baptism under the law, then show me this law in scripture. Otherwise, you are acting like a Pharisee.

Hey Austin; do you follow a particular church; a lot of these people are Baptist, I am a non-denominational christian; are you anything in particular?


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[Titus Tarnum]

I think calling someone a Pharisee and legalistic is rude, and I am offended even if I am not the one you are calling names. I think as Christians we can do better when we argue and not try to be divisive. I spent the time to look things up, to help you and to learn myself and I would rather be a friend than an enemy. I am not angry with you, and i like fellowshipping with you [emoji3][emoji106]

 

[AustinC]

Insults now? Have you ever studied from a Baptist theology book? Why argue without understanding the position?

Silly, have you ever studied from the Bible alone? Why are you arguing from tradition?

 

[AustinC]

I think calling someone a Pharisee and legalistic is rude, and I am offended even if I am not the one you are calling names. I think as Christians we can do better when we argue and not try to be divisive. I spent the time to look things up, to help you and to learn myself and I would rather be a friend than an enemy. I am not angry with you, and i like fellowshipping with you [emoji3][emoji106]

The Pharisees were offended as well. The law is no longer how we walk with God. We walk by faith, in grace, through God's mercy.
When a brother wants to fall back into the law, I will call that brother out. Stop living under the law.

 

[1689Dave]

Silly, have you ever studied from the Bible alone? Why are you arguing from tradition?

Truth doesn't change. Tradition is steeped in the truth.

 

[atpollard]

What we should really be talking about if this is a conversation about Catholicism (Roman Catholicism m?) is the "Sacrifice of Mass", that subject is the most infamous of all Catholic doctrines in my opinion.

The "Sacrifice of Mass" is also one of the most "misrepresented" of all Catholic doctrines (in my opinion).

• for example, it is definitely NOT cannibalism.

Since the "Sacrifice of Mass" has a lot of parts, is there a particular question that you wanted to start with?

 

[Titus Tarnum]

My next honest question of you Austin is what does water baptism look like to you?


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[Titus Tarnum]

The "Sacrifice of Mass" is also one of the most "misrepresented" of all Catholic doctrines (in my opinion).

• for example, it is definitely NOT cannibalism.

Since the "Sacrifice of Mass" has a lot of parts, is there a particular question that you wanted to start with?

Hi atpollard! I understand that the Sacrifice of Mass isn't a re-crucifixion of Christ but it is the re-visitation of the original crucifixion for new (venial) sins is that right?


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[37818]

Is Jesus God? If so, how can he not be Jesus in Jude 5?

Jesus is the man. At issue is not that the incarnate Son of God, who is also the LORD God and the man Jesus. But what the actual given inerrant word of God says, is correctly translated, ". . . how that the Lord, . . ." His incarnate name is not in the true orginal text of Jude. Prove otherwise.

 

[Titus Tarnum]

That one is tough to follow, what is the question? I think maybe you may be taking for granted that info you know and understand is known by everyone? Can you reiterate?


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[1689Dave]

Jesus is the man. At issue is not that the incarnate Son of God, who is also the LORD God and the man Jesus. But what the actual given inerrant word of God says, is correctly translated, ". . . how that the Lord, . . ." His incarnate name is not in the true orginal text of Jude. Prove otherwise.

Jesus Christ is the name of YHWH in the NT. This is why Peter used it instead of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit when baptizing. Kurios in the NT is Lord, also used for Lord in the OT LXX.