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So Jesus is not fully God?

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by 37818, Mar 31, 2021.

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    canadyjd Well-Known Member

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    You said Jesus is someone other than God.

    That sounds like you are denying Jesus is fully God. It does sound like JW’s view that Jesus was the Arch Angel Michael, the first created being that God used to create all others; that God made him His “Son” because he redeemed humanity because God was unable.

    Jesus said He and the Father are one. Jesus said “before Abraham was, I Am” taking the name of God revealed in the OT.

    Yes, Jesus and the Father (and Holy Spirit) are one and the same God.

    Do you believe Jesus was fully God at the time of His birth. The JW’s and Mormons would say no. What do you say?

    peace to you
     
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    Huh. You cannot remember or understand my answer. Will a yes we work?

    Yes.
     
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    What did Jesus Himself say in, John 20:17, "Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God."

    The Son of God is both a man and God in the flesh. Remember what I had said? It seems you don't.
     
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    The Son of God has two natures.
    1) Being the LORD God. Isaiah 43:10-11.
    2) Being a man.
     
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    I remember what you said. It’s incoherent.

    You claim you believe the Trinity; that the 2nd person within the Godhead is eternally God.

    Then you say Jesus is someone other than God.


    You continue to ignore my question concerning whether Jesus is fully God at His birth. That might help me understand what you are saying.

    Do you believe Jesus is fully God at His birth?

    Peace to you
     
    #65 canadyjd, Apr 1, 2021
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    That is His name per the Hebrew, and are the Son and Father both equally God?
     
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    Before he became born as Jesus, was He equally Yahweh as the Father?
     
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    He is God, correct?
     
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    Is he stating that he ceased being God when born as Jesus?
     
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    The Father is God, and Jesus is also God, correct?
     
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    I don’t know what he is saying.

    It is contradiction, surrounded by confusion, immersed in double speak.

    peace to you
     
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    They are the one and the same Person.
     
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    The Word never ceased being God in becoming a man.
     
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    The best I can tell, he believes the Trinity, but says Jesus is someone other than God.

    It is almost as if he is saying Jesus was not God at His birth, but became “a” God at His resurrection.

    Similar to JW’s, but not denying the Trinity.

    peace to you
     
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    Adopted into the Godhead?
     
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    Jesus was the Christ at birth. Luke 2:11. Isaiah 43:10-11.
     
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    Did the Word (God) become man at the conception/birth of Jesus?

    peace to you
     
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    Something in his Christology still to me does not "seem right"
     
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    That’s not the question. Please state it plainly.

    Was Jesus fully God at His birth. “Yes” or “no” would be the plain answer, thank you.

    peace to you
     
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