So Jesus is not fully God?

[canadyjd]

We have a different understanding.
Jesus is not God the Father. Big difference. Jesus is the man the Word, God the Uncaused Cause, John 1:2-3, became on behalf of God the Father, Ephesians 3:9, ". . . in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: . . ."

You said Jesus is someone other than God.

That sounds like you are denying Jesus is fully God. It does sound like JW’s view that Jesus was the Arch Angel Michael, the first created being that God used to create all others; that God made him His “Son” because he redeemed humanity because God was unable.

Jesus said He and the Father are one. Jesus said “before Abraham was, I Am” taking the name of God revealed in the OT.

Yes, Jesus and the Father (and Holy Spirit) are one and the same God.

Do you believe Jesus was fully God at the time of His birth. The JW’s and Mormons would say no. What do you say?

peace to you

 

[37818]

Are all 3 Person equally Yahweh?

Huh. You cannot remember or understand my answer. Will a yes we work?

Yes.

I have plainly stated what I believe. Here again for the record, I believe God is not a man. I believe God is three distinct Persons who are the one and the same God. God is the self Existent one, which is the meaning of His Name. I believe the eternal Word was and is always the Son. That the Son is now and forever both fully God and full immortal Man. And before His death and resurrection was always fully God and had become a fully a mortal man.

 

[37818]

You said Jesus is someone other than God.

That sounds like you are denying Jesus is fully God. It does sound like JW’s view that Jesus was the Arch Angel Michael, the first created being that God used to create all others; that God made him His “Son” because he redeemed humanity because God was unable.

Jesus said He and the Father are one. Jesus said “before Abraham was, I Am” taking the name of God revealed in the OT.

Yes, Jesus and the Father (and Holy Spirit) are one and the same God.

Do you believe Jesus was fully God at the time of His birth. The JW’s and Mormons would say no. What do you say?

peace to you

What did Jesus Himself say in, John 20:17, "Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God."

The Son of God is both a man and God in the flesh. Remember what I had said? It seems you don't.

 

[37818]

The Son of God has two natures.
1) Being the LORD God. Isaiah 43:10-11.
2) Being a man.

 

[canadyjd]

What did Jesus Himself say in, John 20:17, "Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God."

The Son of God is both a man and God in the flesh. Remember what I had said? It seems you don't.

I remember what you said. It’s incoherent.

You claim you believe the Trinity; that the 2nd person within the Godhead is eternally God.

Then you say Jesus is someone other than God.


You continue to ignore my question concerning whether Jesus is fully God at His birth. That might help me understand what you are saying.

Do you believe Jesus is fully God at His birth?

Peace to you

 

[Yeshua1]

You have a bad selective memory problem.

Again, God's Name transliterated is
Yahweh

That is His name per the Hebrew, and are the Son and Father both equally God?

 

[Yeshua1]

We have a different understanding.
Jesus is not God the Father. Big difference. Jesus is the man the Word, God the Uncaused Cause, John 1:2-3, became on behalf of God the Father, Ephesians 3:9, ". . . in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: . . ."

Before he became born as Jesus, was He equally Yahweh as the Father?

 

[Yeshua1]

The Son of God has two natures.
1) Being the LORD God. Isaiah 43:10-11.
2) Being a man.

He is God, correct?

 

[Yeshua1]

Is h

I remember what you said. It’s incoherent.

You claim you believe the Trinity; that the 2nd person within the Godhead is eternally God.

Then you say Jesus is someone other than God.


You continue to ignore my question concerning whether Jesus is fully God at His birth. That might help me understand what you are saying.

Do you believe Jesus is fully God at His birth?

Peace to you

Is he stating that he ceased being God when born as Jesus?

 

[Yeshua1]

What did Jesus Himself say in, John 20:17, "Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God."

The Son of God is both a man and God in the flesh. Remember what I had said? It seems you don't.

The Father is God, and Jesus is also God, correct?

 

[canadyjd]

Is h

Is he stating that he ceased being God when born as Jesus?

I don’t know what he is saying.

It is contradiction, surrounded by confusion, immersed in double speak.

peace to you

 

[37818]

Did his Son change or did the Word change?

They are the one and the same Person.

 

[37818]

The Word never ceased being God in becoming a man.

 

[canadyjd]

Is h

Is he stating that he ceased being God when born as Jesus?

The best I can tell, he believes the Trinity, but says Jesus is someone other than God.

It is almost as if he is saying Jesus was not God at His birth, but became “a” God at His resurrection.

Similar to JW’s, but not denying the Trinity.

peace to you

 

[Yeshua1]

The best I can tell, he believes the Trinity, but says Jesus is someone other than God.

It is almost as if he is saying Jesus was not God at His birth, but became “a” God at His resurrection.

Similar to JW’s, but not denying the Trinity.

peace to you

Adopted into the Godhead?

 

[37818]

Do you deny the deity of Jesus at or prior to his earthly birth?

Jesus was the Christ at birth. Luke 2:11. Isaiah 43:10-11.

 

[canadyjd]

The Word never ceased being God in becoming a man.

Did the Word (God) become man at the conception/birth of Jesus?

peace to you

 

[Yeshua1]

Jesus was the Christ at birth. Luke 2:11. Isaiah 43:10-11.

was He fully God then?

 

[Yeshua1]

Did the Word (God) become man at the conception/birth of Jesus?

peace to you

Something in his Christology still to me does not "seem right"

 

[canadyjd]

Jesus was the Christ at birth. Luke 2:11. Isaiah 43:10-11.

That’s not the question. Please state it plainly.

Was Jesus fully God at His birth. “Yes” or “no” would be the plain answer, thank you.

peace to you