What Do You Believe about the Millennium?

Did they get the vision? or was it a mark for the angels not to destroy the believers?

 

literal or symbolic? What event is being described?
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

 

My suggestion is that it would be helpful to see how others let the scripture interpret the scripture.
When the same language is used in the Ot it should have a bearing upon the symbols in the new.

For your consideration;
Isaiah 34 King James Version (KJV)
34 Come near, ye nations, to hear; and hearken, ye people: let the earth hear, and all that is therein; the world, and all things that come forth of it.

2 For the indignation of the Lord is upon all nations, and his fury upon all their armies: he hath utterly destroyed them, he hath delivered them to the slaughter.

3 Their slain also shall be cast out, and their stink shall come up out of their carcases, and the mountains shall be melted with their blood.

4 And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree.

5 For my sword shall be bathed in heaven: behold, it shall come down upon Idumea, and upon the people of my curse, to judgment.

6 The sword of the Lord is filled with blood, it is made fat with fatness, and with the blood of lambs and goats, with the fat of the kidneys of rams: for the Lord hath a sacrifice in Bozrah, and a great slaughter in the land of Idumea.


This is a historical judgment, did the heaven
literally roll up like a scroll??
Here is the judgment of Babylon;
6 Howl ye; for the day of the Lord is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.

7 Therefore shall all hands be faint, and every man's heart shall melt:

8 And they shall be afraid: pangs and sorrows shall take hold of them; they shall be in pain as a woman that travaileth: they shall be amazed one at another; their faces shall be as flames.

9 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.
Same language of Mt.24

 

IMHO everyone who has died.

 

The point is that Satan has been bound in that he can no longer deceive the nations. This is shown by Matthew 12:24-30; Mark 4:22-27; Luke 11:14-23. Satan is the 'strong man' and before the coming of Christ, he had the Gentile nations securely in his power. But now a stronger than he has come, and he cannot prevent the nations from coming to Christ as they have been doing since Pentecost and are doing to this very day. Christ is the Rider on the white horse of Revelation 6:2 and He is, as it were, sacking the borders of hell and releasing its prisoners. Note that He is given a crown which is a Stephanos, a crown of victory, rather than a diademos, a crown of power, which is what the devil and the first beast have in Revelation 12 & 13.

It has been rightly said that the position of Satan is like that of Hitler after D Day. He cannot win; his territory is being slowly but steadily taken away. Yet there are still great battles to be fought and setbacks to be overcome, just as there were for the allies in WW2 - Arnhem and the Battle of the Bulge.

Let me say that I am not Postmil but Amil. I do not believe that the world will be won for Christ before He returns. As the number of converts to Christ increases, so does the persecution. In Britain today, and maybe in the USA, it seems almost that Satan could be in semi-retirement, just stirring himself from time to time to whisper in some Pastor's ear, "Keep it up; you're doing a great job!" But in China, India, Iran and elsewhere, the kingdom of God is growing, even in the face of the most vicious persecution and the gates of hell cannot and will not prevail. I heard recently that in ten years the number of Christians in Algeria has risen from 1,000 to half a million and as a result, churches are being closed and Pastors imprisoned.

 

Well, that is a whole lot of cut and paste that has nothing to do with my point.

 

God was and is faithful to Israel. He sent His only begotten son to die for their sins. If they don’t believe in Him, where he is they cannot go.

Romans 2:28-29 KJV
[28] For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: [29] But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

 

I agree if the "has" is changed to "had".

 

The verb anisthmi does not signify either. It means lit. "stand up again" - raise , resurrect, etc. (various shades of meaning).

I do not get "spirits rise from Hades" from that single word. I get it from evidence elsewhere in Scripture.
You do not get "bodily resurrection from the dead" from that single word. You get it from mistaken tradition.

 

Absolutely right! The Lord Jesus Christ is the Firstfruits from the dead, and He rose in a physical body (Luke 24:36-43). Therefore we too shall rise in bodies that are changed and 'spiritual' in that they will no longer be subject to decay, yet are 'flesh and bones' like our Lord's body. The textual gymnastics that Hyper-Preterists have to perform in order to promote their beliefs are remarkable.
I am not by any means a Dispensationalist, but I would a thousand times sooner be one than a Hyper-preterist!

 

Dispy not heresy, but full preterism is!

 

Yes, Jesus Christ arose in a physical body. It would be heretical to believe otherwise. And no preterist I know has ever taught that.

But then we get into your "textual gymnastics", Jeff. You act as if Paul never wrote I Corinthians 15:50:

"I tell you this, brothers: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable."

Our bodies will indeed be spiritual. They will be isaggeloi - "like the angels", as Jesus told the Sadducees in Luke 20.

Do angels have flesh and bones?
Or flesh and blood?

That passage in Luke (and the Synoptic cross-references) along with 1 Cor. 15:44, 49-50 and other verses give ample proof that we will have spiritual, non-physical bodies.

Just like Christ has now.,

 

I wanted to direct this to the OP poll because he seem to have left one out... I guess it could be in the other or not sure category but it is the rarest of all... Now brethren on here know what my stand is, read post number 20 and 23... So my Dad who was a very godly Christian man, long gone to be with the Lord... I posed this same question to him many years ago, what position did he hold?

He said men can say what they want and believe what they will about the last hour but when it comes right down to it, men WILL NEVER stand in the way of the plans of God... That is why I am a pan-millennialist!... What is going to happen will happen as God intended it to happen and NO MAN will change, what will happen, at that day... So what is the right viewpoint?... GODS!... Brother Glen