Will There Be a Future Literal 1000-Year Reign of Christ on the Earth?

[robycop3]

You are supposed to know it is 144000jewish evangelists because it is 12x12...twelve tribes12 by 12 144

No, only 36K of them will be Jews-those of Judah, Benjamin, & Levi. The rest will be Israelis of the other tribes.

 

[robycop3]

One heresy begets another. If I reject dispensationalism and the chronological gaps that are clearly and repeatedly revealed in the scriptures, then I would be forced to spiritualize most eschatology.
If I maintain Roman Catholic replacement theology, then I must end up with Roman Catholic amillennialism.

The coming literal, physical, geo-political Jewish millennial kingdom of Jesus Christ from the throne of David in Zion over planet earth is the #1 subject of the Bible. There are more verses about that almost any other 3 subjects combined.

Preterists lump all anti-preterism with dispies, as part of the false pret doctrines.

Yes, Jesus shall reign from Jerusalem with His saints, over mortal men for 1K years while Satan is banished. But there'll be a rebellion by mortals against Him when the millenium ends & Satan if freed. But Jesus will swiftly end it & Satan shall be cast into the LOF.

 

[Iconoclast]

more speculation, like your "election" stuff!

If you understand the Covenant nature of salvation, and what happened at the fall, you would come to understand the blessing of biblical election which is as much a mystery to you as eschatology is to th OP.

 

[canadyjd]

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You claim that the 144 thousand in Revelation is symbolic. How do you know that is true?

The genre of “apocalyptic” literature is full of symbolism by its nature. It is an aspect of that genre that scholars have acknowledged for centuries.

Concerning the 144000, it is clearly symbolic. It is found in Rev 7 and refers to the number of the “Sons of Israel” that have been sealed. Each tribe has 12,000 that are sealed. 12 tribes of 12,000 equals 144,000.

The number 1000 is considered a very large number too large to count in Hebrew culture. This number cannot be taken literally.

Peace to you

 

[Iconoclast]

No, only 36K of them will be Jews-those of Judah, Benjamin, & Levi. The rest will be Israelis of the other tribes.

What happened to Dan and Ephraim?

 

[SavedByGrace]

If you understand the Covenant nature of salvation, and what happened at the fall, you would come to understand the blessing of biblical election which is as much a mystery to you as eschatology is to th OP.

The wonderful Gospel is for WHOSOEVER nothing more nothing less. Theology has corrupted this Bible Truth

 

[Iconoclast]

No, those will be future literal events. Preterism is poppycock.

Explain the Isa.13 and Isa34 passages for us, we will see who has all the poppycock

 

[Scripture More Accurately]

The genre of “apocalyptic” literature is full of symbolism by its nature. It is an aspect of that genre that scholars have acknowledged for centuries.

Concerning the 144000, it is clearly symbolic. It is found in Rev 7 and refers to the number of the “Sons of Israel” that have been sealed. Each tribe has 12,000 that are sealed. 12 tribes of 12,000 equals 144,000.

The number 1000 is considered a very large number too large to count in Hebrew culture. This number cannot be taken literally.

Peace to you

This is ridiculous, if you are asserting that the Israelites could not count to a thousand. Many times, the Israelites numbered the people in the census and counted large numbers to a level much smaller than a thousand. For example,

Num. 26:51 These were the numbered of the children of Israel, six hundred thousand and a thousand seven hundred and thirty.

The Israelites were not some kind of "primitive stone-age Neanderthals" who could not count to a 1000.

Scripture does not reveal that there is a so-called genre named "apocalyptic" that is "full of symbolism by its nature." The so-called scholars who espouse that notion incorporate their biases into their teachings.

 

[SavedByGrace]

What happened to Dan and Ephraim?

Do you know the answer

 

[Iconoclast]

The wonderful Gospel is for WHOSOEVER nothing more nothing less. Theology has corrupted this Bible Truth

The gospel is freely offered to all. Using the word whosoever does not change a thing.

 

[SavedByGrace]

The gospel is freely offered to all

what exactly is this Good News, that is "offered" to all?. that only a very small number will be saved, and the greater majority will sadly end up in eternal punishment? Would you tell anyone that you have Good News for them, that they are probably going to hell, because Jesus Christ probably did not die for them? If not, why not, as this is your Gospel!

 

[Yeshua1]

This is ridiculous, if you are asserting that the Israelites could not count to a thousand. Many times, the Israelites numbered the people in the census and counted large numbers to a level much smaller than a thousand. For example,

Num. 26:51 These were the numbered of the children of Israel, six hundred thousand and a thousand seven hundred and thirty.

The Israelites were not some kind of "primitive stone-age Neanderthals" who could not count to a 1000.

Scripture does not reveal that there is a so-called genre named "apocalyptic" that is "full of symbolism by its nature." The so-called scholars who espouse that notion incorporate their biases into their teachings.

Symbolism running amok tells us that those were neither actual numbers nor really Jewish people, but refers to saved Christians?

 

[asterisktom]

The poster has heard one view. He most likely is not certain of any other.
He should learn how others come to a different understanding first before attacking other positions
He starts threads hoping others can bail him out.
If the water gets to deep, he opts out and goes back to the kiddie pool.
He then suggests that all others need not apply.
This is not the best way to go about it, but he is "more accurate ".

None of that iron sharpening iron nonsense here.

 

[Iconoclast]

what exactly is this Good News, that is "offered" to all?. that only a very small number will be saved, and the greater majority will sadly end up in eternal punishment? Would you tell anyone that you have Good News for them, that they are probably going to hell, because Jesus Christ probably did not die for them? If not, why not, as this is your Gospel!

Pure rubbish.
Start a new thread on this topic and we will show you why.

 

[SavedByGrace]

Pure rubbish.
Start a new thread on this topic and we will show you why.

I have check out my latest thread

 

[Yeshua1]

what exactly is this Good News, that is "offered" to all?. that only a very small number will be saved, and the greater majority will sadly end up in eternal punishment? Would you tell anyone that you have Good News for them, that they are probably going to hell, because Jesus Christ probably did not die for them? If not, why not, as this is your Gospel!

So God is wrong to judge those who demand to not have Jesus save them from their sins?

 

[SavedByGrace]

So God is wrong to judge those who demand to not have Jesus save them from their sins?

What are you on about

 

[George Antonios]

according to George

Brother, have you ever studied out the number of verses in relation to that subject?
I did not just invent that statistic. I tried to prove it. Please watch just a couple of minutes beginning at the 44:30 time-mark. The section is not about 2nd coming verses, but nevertheless helpful.

 

[Scripture More Accurately]

If you want to see a good example of how Scripture directly refutes a specific contention of a preterist about his use of a specific passage, check out my response (#3) in this thread: Rev. 9:10: Historical Facts vs. Futurist Fiction

 

[George Antonios]

This is ridiculous, if you are asserting that the Israelites could not count to a thousand. Many times, the Israelites numbered the people in the census and counted large numbers to a level much smaller than a thousand. For example,

Num. 26:51 These were the numbered of the children of Israel, six hundred thousand and a thousand seven hundred and thirty.

The Israelites were not some kind of "primitive stone-age Neanderthals" who could not count to a 1000.

Scripture does not reveal that there is a so-called genre named "apocalyptic" that is "full of symbolism by its nature." The so-called scholars who espouse that notion incorporate their biases into their teachings.

Amen and amen.