In Denunciation of Denials of the Future Bodily Resurrection of the Dead

[Yeshua1]

You just ignored the exposition in the post and repeated what you know is so.
We were born again when we first believed.
That is, a new spiritual nature was birthed in us when we first believed.
We became spiritual sons of God when we first believed.
But adoption has to do with the body.
Nothing changed about our bodies when we first believed.

Adoptions refers to us becoming children of God, and that is when we first believed, not when resurrected!

 

[Yeshua1]

Yes, we have been born anew, becoming a spiritual child of God, and we will receive the full benefits of our "sonship" at Christ's second coming. Any other claim is simply false unbiblical doctrine.

Adopted now as children of god, and will receive all that entails us when raised again!

 

[George Antonios]

Adoptions refers to us becoming children of God, and that is when we first believed, not when resurrected!

Adoption IN THE BIBLE refers to the redemption of our body at the yet-future resurrection:

Rom 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

 

[George Antonios]

Adopted now as children of god, and will receive all that entails us when raised again!

How in the world can you say "now" when Paul the apostle says it's future:

Rom 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
Rom 8:24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
Rom 8:25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.

 

[Van]

Adopted now as children of god, and will receive all that entails us when raised again!

Once again the false and unbiblical claim is regurgitated upon thread after thread. No one has received the full benefits of our "sonship" because we are waiting for Christ's return, Romans 8:23

 

[Scripture More Accurately]

Please stop discussing adoption in this thread. I have started a new thread to discuss that topic:

Have Believers Already Been Adopted as Children of God?

 

[Van]

Romans 8:15 (correctly translated)
For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading to fear again, but you have received a Spirit of promised future sonship benefits as sons by which we cry out, “Abba! Father!”

Note, no mention of the "a" word...

 

[Scripture More Accurately]

Romans 8:15 (correctly translated)
For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading to fear again, but you have received a Spirit of promised future sonship benefits as sons by which we cry out, “Abba! Father!”

Did you see my last post?! I have provided another thread to discuss this subject. Please stop discussing this subject in this thread now!

 

[Van]

Did you see my last post?! I have provided another thread to discuss this subject. Please stop now discussing this subject in this thread!

Please stop denying our future bodily redemption has been mistranslated as adoption. I am discussing our promised future benefit of being a child of God, to wit our bodily redemption, Romans 8:23.

 

[Scripture More Accurately]

Please stop denying our future bodily redemption has been mistranslated as adoption. I am discussing our promised future benefit of being a child of God, to wit our bodily redemption, Romans 8:23.

I have not denied anything. It is wrong for you to hijack this thread and turn into a discussion of another topic other than the stated topic! Stop it!

 

[George Antonios]

Romans 8:15 (correctly translated)
For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading to fear again, but you have received a Spirit of promised future sonship benefits as sons by which we cry out, “Abba! Father!”

This is an unfortunate translation; in fact a mere paraphrase, however well intentioned.

The best scholars translate Romans 8:15 this way:

Rom 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

 

[George Antonios]

I have not denied anything. It is wrong for you to hijack this thread and turn into a discussion of another topic other than the stated topic! Stop it!

I get your frustration, but adoption IS the future bodily resurrection.

 

[Van]

I have not denied anything. It is wrong for you to hijack this thread and turn into a discussion of another topic other than the stated topic! Stop it!

I am discussing our future bodily redemption, so for you to claim I am hijacking your thread if simply yet another falsehood.

Here is what you said in your OP: To deny that there will be a future bodily resurrection of the dead is to reject the great hope toward God that the entire Bible sets before all people.

 

[Scripture More Accurately]

I get your frustration, but adoption IS the future bodily resurrection.

I have not said that it was not. I am not wanting to get into the debate about what adoption means in this thread. I intend to discuss it in the other thread.

 

[Scripture More Accurately]

Here is what you said in your OP: To deny that there will be a future bodily resurrection of the dead is to reject the great hope toward God that the entire Bible sets before all people.

Yes, I said that, and I believe that. That does not mean that I want to debate what the term "adoption" as it is used in the Bible means in this thread.

There are other passages about bodily resurrection that I want to talk about. If you use up all the allotted posts discussing and arguing about adoption, you will have hijacked this thread.

 

[Salty]

The OP has requested that this thread go in a certain direction - please honor that -
esp since a new thread was started for that different direction. (see post 46)

Please respect the OP

 

[Van]

OK Salty, I will stop posting.

 

[Yeshua1]

Once again the false and unbiblical claim is regurgitated upon thread after thread. No one has received the full benefits of our "sonship" because we are waiting for Christ's return, Romans 8:23

How we not be adopted and yet still be saved then?

 

[Scripture More Accurately]

The OP has requested that this thread go in a certain direction - please honor that -
esp since a new thread was started for that different direction. (see post 46)

Please respect the OP

Thanks.

 

[atpollard]

Bodily resurrection of the dead is the great hope of the ages.

Job testified to his belief that after he would die, he would yet see God in his flesh:

Job 19:25 For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth: 26 And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God: 27 Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not another; though my reins be consumed within me.​

Long after the bodily resurrection and ascension of Christ, the apostle Paul testified that he had the hope of the resurrection of the dead:

Acts 24:14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets: 15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.​

To deny that there will be a future bodily resurrection of the dead is to reject the great hope toward God that the entire Bible sets before all people.

I denounce all denials of the future bodily resurrection of the dead as false and unbiblical teaching that every devoted believer should categorically reject.

So what exactly is a “body” in this context?

I agree that scripture seems clear that our bodies will be raised “on the last day”, but it also seems clear that our body will be transformed from its present “perishable” state to an eternal “imperishable” state.

If the events of Jesus body post-resurrection are any indication, then our new body will interact with time, space and matter differently than our present bodies do.

• So how “different” can a “body” be and still be called a “body”?
• Is it fair to call a body that walks through doors and appears and disappears from a location a “Spirit”?