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I am glad you quoted Matthew 18. The context of Jesus teaching helps us to understand that the "little children" also believe. This means that some little ones don't believe. I bring this up because the "little children" are those who are new born babes in Christ. This is not necessarily an age statement, but instead a spiritual birth statement. Therefore, if the Pharisees cause a new believer to sin, it would be better if they had a millstone tied around their neck and be cast into the sea.
Jesus teaching should be a word of caution to all Christians who are mentoring those who are newly born again. Heaping legalism upon a new Christian and adding false teaching to these young ones should strike terror in the teacher.

 

@37818
Briefly, directly, what's your point in post #41?

 

You cannot judge people's motives without sinning.

 

Wow, that's Pelagian theology. Everyone is born perfect and holy...until they sin. The possibility of sinless perfection exists outside of Jesus redemption.
Care to rethink your ideas?

 

So all of us are born sinless and in right standing with God, and do not become lost and sinners until we decide to do that, so why not abort all early to keep them saved?

 

Are all born in state of innocence and forgiveness then?

 

I understand completely. You wrote:

The bolded assertions by you are Pelagian assertions. You then add a twist that when we come to an age of accountability, we have to then make a decision to believe and be reborn a second time in order to maintain that initial perfection, which all humans are born with.

Perhaps there is another brother or sister here who can walk you through the theological errors you are asserting and how they differ from orthodox Christianity. I believe I have tried to show you how your assertions lead down an untenable trail that is ultimately heresy, but you cannot or will not see what I am explaining to you. Therefore, I will leave you to ponder your error and know that I consider your theology unbiblical.

 

Typical claim of an false accuser. If the under lined is true why aren't you perfect? Every Christian doctrine has at least a few points that are true. Except Calvinism it's completely false.
MB

 

No. You openly state a Pelagian view and then you deny it. This is you being irrational. Just once, actually read what you wrote as your belief and see it for what it is. You want to have a Pelagian theology and deny it at the same time. If you want to keep the view you espoused, then you have to own it as Pelagian.

 

Lets see:

You are a universalist.
You are a Pelagian.
You hate God.

So what group of posters systemically make false charges rather than explain why their views conflict with scripture?

By falsely accusing others, the topic turns to the behavior of others, rather than the doctrine being questioned.

Even if the doctrine asserted is bogus, a person also holding bogus beliefs might use the false accusation ploy in an unstudied attempt at refutation.

For example a person might claim we were not "made sinners" but became sinners when first we volitionally sinned. But rather than present the verse that says we were made sinners, an unstudied person might make a charge.

 

9 And I was alive apart from the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died; Ro 7

(no little babies in hell)

 

Are we born with sin natures?

 

"General redemption" is bad articulation. Perhaps if you stopped calling it that some of these knee jerk accusations would cease.

Call it 'General Atonement' ...meaning that Christ's atonement did away with Adam's transgression passing down upon all men and all men are now born innocent and eventually become guilty of their own accord.

Born innocent is not equivalent to being in Christ. Esau was born innocent but God hated him before he had any works to be judged by.

 

We are all born spiritual dead in Adam!

 

9 And I was alive apart from the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died; Ro 7

(no little babies in hell)