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    1689Dave Well-Known Member

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    I'm not familiar with any of your writings. But Dispensationalism recreates its own bible by splicing passages lifted from their context to create new ones.
     
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    Nope. It doesn't. That's a common argument here on the BB, but I never can get anyone to tell me how that works. And when they try, it simply shows that they don't understand dispensationalism.

    So, would you care to give me actual cases where dispensationalism "recreates its own bible" (sic; we should capitalize Bible) and splices passages?
     
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    Brother, I think he's saying we are tares and not true believers. :eek:
     
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    What's your point?
     
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    Please be clear. Whose point?
     
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    There are many instances of scripture manipulation by Dispes with damnable results. 3rd Temple sacrifices lead to unforgivable sin (Hebrews 6). They proclaim Daniel a false prophet saying the Kingdom of God did not arrive in the times of the ancient Roman Empire. Yet Jesus preached it as a present reality. Many more heresies......
     
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    It was not your post.
     
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    I did not say you are not saved. But the tares might have taught you wrongly. In the end, all the Father gave to Christ will be saved. I had tare teaching throughout my entire church experience.
     
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    I have no idea what you mean here.

    Nope, that is not what dispensationalism teaches. If you think it is, please give a quote from a dispensational writer. Otherwise, you are bearing false witness.

    You throw this word around a lot, but I'm not certain what you mean. What do you actually mean by your use of the term "heresy" when you say it? The meaning of church history? The meaning of the word in the Bible? What?
     
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    Did the kingdom come in the times of the ancient Roman Empire? Did the Jews reject the gospel of the kingdom and remain loyal to the Pharisee's physical kingdom teachings? Why do you look for a future physical kingdom instead of the Kingdom Christ presented?
     
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    If by this you mean, did Jesus teach a non-physical kingdom of God, of course I believe that. So do all dispensationalists. I refer you to the really great work by dispensational theologian Alva McClain, The Greatness of the Kingdom.

    First of all, what Jews? Many believed on Jesus--3000 in Acts 2. Others rejected Christ and the Kingdom of God.

    Now you see, that is exactly NOT what I look for. I look for a future physical kingdom, prophesied as the Davidic throne in many places, in addition to the Kingdom of God. Please get this right, will you? :Rolleyes No dispensationalist believes what you posted here.
     
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    Why do you look for a Physical Kingdom when Jesus taught a spiritual kingdom only?
    A kingdom not of this world. That only the born again can see? That comes without observation.
     
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    What is the specific false teaching of your concern here that is a matter essential to the true Christian faith?
     
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    One truth, many different beliefs.
     
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    Why do you not look for a physical kingdom when Jesus taught both a spiritual (Kingdom of God) AND a physical (Davidic throne) kingdom? To quote our pres, "Come on, man."
     
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    Jesus taught a spiritual kingdom only that flesh and blood cannot enter. He said the kingdom is within believers. The Pharisees taught a physical millennial kingdom which most today prefer over Jesus' kingdom.
     
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    The OT prophets foretold a time that the Kingdom of God would be in full upon this earth, and that has not yet happened!
     
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    “In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, And close up the breaches thereof; And I will raise up his ruins, And I will build it as in the days of old:” Amos 9:11 (KJV 1900)

    Speaking of the present times; “And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me: Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name. And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written, After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:” Acts 15:13–16 (KJV 1900)
     
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    What is that one truth that is at issue here that you are referring to?
     
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