He is the propitiation for our sins:

I have no specific knowledge concerning rejection by Muslims, but here on this forum we see rejection of doctrine non-stop. Once a person (me included) decides they have determined what is true, they tend to be judgmental toward other views. Both the Calvinists and the KJVO folks "know" they are right, and nothing said to them will penetrate their mindset. It is for us to devote our resources to those who are open to God's message.

Interestingly, Calvinism was born by people trying to explain rejection of the gospel.

 

I have decided to to listen to some podcasts on reaching other people; I just never occurred to me that I could do that; duh... I haven't ever used podcasts before so this will be a first; not that its hard I
just never saw a need. In the past i have used Siri's book reading skills and I might do that with the Quran; audible books are way more expensive than the plain digital paper ones, so that's what ill do i think.


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But....but....Isaac & Ishmael were both sons of Abraham....Isaac was a deceiver & Ishmael forsook the promise of a ruling desendency for a bowl of beans.....AND both revere Jerusalem as a very HOLY city....Brother hating brother!! Seems to me Abe & Sarah did a real bang-up job of training up their boys "In the way they SHOULD go"!!!! Thank God that, "HE looked beyond our faults and saw OUR NEED"!!! (Can I get me a witness??)

 

...so you're saying God must extend grace or we are doomed. I agree.
Note that God chose to extend grace to Isaac and not Ishmael. He chose to extend grace to Jacob and not Esau. It's interesting to observe how God chooses to do whatever He wills to do.

 

Amen brother!


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No grace for Esau, I'm going to see for myself, maybe God changed His mind after the New Covenant


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Right, provisionally, by conscience, creation, circumstances, and the conviction of the Spirit through the preaching of the word and the aforementioned God-ordained tools.

An oft-repeated mantra with no backing in scriptures. The apostles themselves had no idea what the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ meant. Paul repeatedly tells us that under the law men were shut up from the faith which should afterward be revealed.

I certainly do not.

Yes, I do believe that. That's how I read my Bible. I know we differ, but I'm answering your question.

A loaded and thus meaningless question.

Right.

Wrong, though he did have an idea, and he was exceptional in that regard.

I appreciate you trying to understand my position. If I misunderstand yours, let me know.

 

I was born and raised in Lebanon and read the Qur'an in my native Arabic.

Part of the reason they reject Jesus is the fact that we have 600+ English Bible versions.
They won't listen to a man who thinks all versions are equally God's word.
In that regard, they have more sense than your average modern Christian scholar.
Being Shemitic sons of Abraham still procured them enough common sense to understand at least that much.
Japhethite Christians just can't get it through their thick head - they're too puffed up with scholarly "knowledge".

 

I rest MY CASE!!

 

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I am glad you see the truth in my comment that is something to build on
You are defending freewill choice; are you defending that everyone throughout time and place has been afforded this choice as long as they were alive, or at least to the point that their rejection of God was complete? Some people believe grace is available throughout your life while others like me believe otherwise. The key question is has grace been afforded to all in a sufficient quantity for the individual to choose damnation or salvation through Jesus who is the only person who we are saved through.

So in whom do you think they had saving faith in if it wasn't Jesus?

So by one man's sin all died...

Only if you don't value your own opinion

Psalms 110:1
Announcement of the Messiah’s Reign
(Matt. 22:44; Acts 2:34, 35)
A Psalm of David.
The LORD said to my Lord,
“Sit at My right hand,
Till I make Your enemies Your footstool.”

Hebrews 11:39
And all these, having obtained a good testimony through faith, did not receive the promise,
Hebrews 11:40
God having provided something better for us, that they should not be made perfect apart from us.
Galatians 3:14
that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
Romans 8:9
But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.
Acts 4:12
Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”

Salvation has always been exclusive to belief in Jesus

 

Awesome! Do you think it is a good idea or not to read the Qur'an?
I've started listening to podcasts about reaching Muslims, what touched you about the Word if I am not getting too personal?
What translation do you use?

Japhetites
Wikipedia, free encyclopedia
The term has been used in modern times as a designation in physical anthropology, ethnography and comparative linguistics. In anthropology, it was used in a racial sense for white people

Lol! U calling me white sucka?

 

Translation: "Here's how we work around 1John 2:2 - we add the word 'justified' before 'world', and voilà".

 

Romans 5:18
Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life.

Just because there's a bag of chips in the store that everyone can buy, it doesn't mean everyone owns a bag of chips...hehe, am I waxing too poetic?


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I wasn't born into a Muslim setting even though Lebanon is mainly Muslim. My parents were saved but we still had heavy Catholic/Orthodox presence.

Yes it's a good idea to read it if you're going to witness to Muslims. They'll respect the fact that you read it.

King James Bible, as do many non-native English speakers.

I am fair skinned (though very easily tanned). Japhethite is not a pejorative term.

 

I started reading the Bible and stayed with the King James for many years now I have a hell of a time when I'm looking for a scripture because my ESV doesn't read the same way so when you search for things you can't find them…
If I find some thing that may have a questionable translation I prefer to go back to the Strongs exhaustive concordance.
I suspected from your avatar that you were "fair skinned". And with a name like Antonios I thought maybe Italian, Greek ?
And I didn't take offense I was just joking

Whatever your background your name has an awesome meaning!

The meaning of the name “Antonios” is: “Priceless; inestimable or praiseworthy”. Categories: Greek Names, Saints Names. Used in: Greek speaking countries.