Anyone else here?

I also reject Calvinism and all 5 points, nor do I follow Arminianism.

I also agree that nobody can lose their salvation “IF” thou [we] continue in his goodness: otherwise thou [we] also shalt be cut off” (Romans 11:22) KJV.

I also agree no works on this earth can save us, nevertheless, once converted, there must be Christian evidence as to a true conversion, for “faith without works is dead” (James 2:17-26; Matt 3:8) KJV.

We must be able to understand the difference between a ‘works salvation’ message to become saved (which is unscriptural) vs the scriptural requirements to ‘work out your own salvation with fear and trembling” (Phil 2:12) after you are saved. Scripture exhorts all believers AFTER a salvation conversion (of which only God’s grace and Christ’s blood can supply) to “abide in Him” (I Jn 2:28), for “if we deny Him, He also will deny us” (II Tim 2:12) KJV.

 

As much as your a 1 point Calvinist in the P of Tulip for 'perseverance of the saints"?

I identify as a Bible believer, I follow no man.

 

Like you I completely disagree with all points of Calvinism and Arminianism. Neither are biblical doctrines..
MB

 

'It's "perseverance of the saints", not "preservation of the saints".

That's what I said, read my post again.

'You can believe in eternal security but reject the P.'

That's convenient. You believe in once saved always saved (or perseverance of the saints), or eternal security, or however you want to label it, then un-label yourself as a 1 point Calvinist by rejecting the P. Then you label me Arminian when you know I do not agree with him on the loss of salvation issue if that's what he actually even believed. What am I missing here?

I will make a deal here, I won't label you a 1 point Calvinist and you won't label me an Arminian until we actually get some sources of what James A and John Calvin actually wrote, not what others say about them.

Blessings.....

 

Are you familiar with the passages of scripture used to support the five points of Calvinism?

This book is mainly composed of scripture passages:
The Five Points of Calvinism: Defined, Defended, and Documented by David N. Steele

I identify as a four-point Calvinist, because Calvin himself doesn't seem to have taught limited atonement.

Skip's Lighthouse: CALVIN'S FAVORITE FLOWER WAS NOT A T.U.L.I.P.

What is Amyraldism / Four-Point Calvinism? | GotQuestions.org

 

It is worth pursuing to be on the Road to Emmaus with our eager hearts burning within us, as the scriptures are opened to us by God. Got questions? Don't consult www.gotQuestions.org (wrong god. ).

If we want to know what's right, Proverbs 2 gives the recipe. Wouldn't it be nice to have a local assembly where the teaching of the pastor was like walking on the road to Eammaus, where your heart burned within you at the teaching of God's Word?

...And your understanding didn't stop with the boilerplate "Statement of Faith" or the catechism?

 

You are funny. Calvinism didn't come up with OSAS. "Perseverance" suggest work to stay saved. Do you work to stay saved?
MB

 

‘I think you may not be familiar with the P if you think it's the equivalent of the eternal security doctrine.’

Perhaps, or perhaps not, for some Calvinists do equate the terminology of the Perseverance of the Saints with “eternal security” (Shelton, vol. 1, p.1; Rose, p.49; Sproul, Chosen by God, p. 175; Palmer, p.69; Custance, p.197).

Perhaps define in a nutshell your own definition of ‘eternal security,’ a word not even found in scripture. The Bible does mention Christ as “being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him” (Heb 5:9) KJV. Does your ‘eternal security’ mean that once you are in the grace of God, that you will always be in the grace of God? If so, is that with or without obedience to Him?

I am just trying to understand your position. You opened the thread, I am just having a dialogue with you, and I am not trying to prove anything here.

Blessings……

 

Total depravity, here is how God describes the concept.
Genesis 8
20 Then Noah built an altar to the Lord, and took of every clean animal and of every clean bird, and offered burnt offerings on the altar. 21 And the Lord smelled a soothing aroma. Then the Lord said in His heart, “I will never again curse the ground for man’s sake, although the imagination of man’s heart is evil from his youth; nor will I again destroy every living thing as I have done.

And God also says, if you sin against one part of His LAW, you are guilty of all the LAW
James 2:10
For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.

And that means death in the lake of fire.

So our only way forward is by His grace to be saved. There is no other way of salvation.

Ephesians 2
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us,
5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),

All other verses must be understood in refence to this truth.

John 1:16
And of His fullness we have all received, and grace for grace.

John 1:17
For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

 

"Thou" is to an individual not to a group, as in "we."

 

Problems of meanings, notions and the use of terminology.

 

I was once right there with you, but forced tgo accept that the limited atonement viewpoint make consistent sense.