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Featured Are Confessions of Faith biblical? Should Churches use them?

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Mikey, Jun 30, 2021.

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Confessions/Statements of Faith are useful to use.

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  1. Agree - Everyone uses one even if they say so or not

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  2. False - No creed but the bible!

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  1. 1689Dave

    1689Dave Well-Known Member

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    How about the revisions? Including the American version? Why does this bother you so much? Have you ever read the creed?
     
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  2. Mikey

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    I'm just providing information.
     
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    1689Dave Well-Known Member

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    What about the revisions? The Baptist version? The American version? Do you know anything about the history of the creed?
     
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  4. Mikey

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    You stated:
    You claimed that it took 10 years to pen the Westminster Confession. Not all the different Confessions that were based on or used the Westminster as a starting point.

    Second I would like to see the break down of your working that all the revisions make up 10years. How long did it take to write the Savoy Declaration? The 2nd London Baptist Confession? The New Hampshire Confession? Abstract of Principles? etc etc.

    Yes I know of some of the history of the Confessions. And all I did was point that it did not take 10years to write the Westminster.
     
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  6. Mikey

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    I've been listening to some of the Reformed Baptist Seminary lecture for free. There's a whole course on Creeds and Confessions. Reformed Baptist Seminary

    Might be of interest to you.
     
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    I don't hold a confession of faith. You asked if I found anything non-biblical in what you posted that is not my confession it was yours. The non sense is yours and you know it. You should never make a dishonest boast
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    Do you confess the truths in the Bible?
     
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  9. Mikey

    Mikey Active Member

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    Can you explain to me what you believe the bible teaches regarding who Jesus is?
     
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    Do you confess that Grace comes through faith.
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    never cast pearls to swine.
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  12. Mikey

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    Well done you quoted part of a verse from scripture.:Thumbsup

    You're not going to proclaim who Jesus is? Odd.

    Is the reason because to do so would mean you would have to confess what you believe therefore producing a confession? I think so, as will anyone who has followed this conversation.
     
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    Just a reminder -- and that would be 7 PM EDT
     
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    No.

    The Bible says that Grace saves and God gives faith to believe we are saved.

    If grace came through faith, then a man's self-creates faith could be applauded and that person could boast about their faith.

    But, let's let the Bible state it for us.

    But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
    ~ Ephesians 2:4-9

    MB, the Bible speaks. Do you hear what it is telling you?
     
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    wrong.
    Prove it
    I do but, you apparently you do not.
    Funny you deny it then you quote what scripture actually says. LOL underlined above
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    LOL, The verses I quoted proved it. You have shown you have no desire to have the Bible direct your belief.
     
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    This is your bottom quote;
    For by grace you have been saved through faith.
    Oh well maybe you didn't read it that far.
    MB
     
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    You are clueless as that statement is not what YOU stated...

    You said: "Grace comes through faith."

    The Bible says: By grace you are saved through faith."

    The Bible does not say what you proclaim. Read it. Comprehend it. Know you have twisted the truth.
     
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    What strikes me is the precision you demand on a comment made off the top of my head. You miss the meaning of the work that went into the confession. And lay wait instead to take me in my words. Just as the Pharisees did Jesus. You want to prove me a liar instead of grasping the meaning that there is no other creed like it. Perhaps it offends you more than I do.

    “Then went the Pharisees, and took counsel how they might entangle him in his talk.” Matthew 22:15 (KJV 1900)

    The assembly lasted officially until 1649, although it continued to meet occasionally until 1652. And those present certainly did not slack during that time. Over the course of the six years between 1643 and 1649, they met 1,163 times. Westminster Assembly | Simply Put

    The Baptists gave it 3 revisions over the course of years. The American Presbyterians gave it another revision. How long do you think this took?
     
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    I never called you a liar. You made a mistake, it happens. I do not undertand why you have taken such offence to such a minor correction.

    Certainly the Westminster Confession was well thought out and came about through much debate, discussion and prayer. And of course the Baptists improved upon it (2LBCF) also with much debate, discussion and prayer. Those involved obviously put a lot of effort and dedication into their work.
     
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