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Have I misrepresented the texts I have quoted? It would concern me if I have. Words do mean things and have context. Are you confident in your position?

 

I am not against scholars who can translate Greek. I am against unchained scholars that keep translating the same Greek into the same language over and over and over and over......

I am against your philosophy.

 

You certainly misrepresented me--not a bad a sin as misrepresenting Scripture, but a sin, nonetheless, the sin of false witness.

 

Really? You do not seem to be against an exclusive group of Church of England priests in 1611 translating the same Greek into the same English language when it had already been translated into English several times before. According to a consistent application of your own reasoning, there would have been no need for the 1611 KJV to be made.

The word of God had been translated into English many years before 1611.

In 1611 English-speaking believers already had a good English translation that they read, loved, and accepted--the 1560 Geneva Bible.

 

Unchained from what?

Unchained from a state Church of England?
Unchained from the earthly head of that state Church of England--the king?
Unchained from biased rules made to favor that Church of England?
Unchained from Hebrew-Latin lexicons and Greek-Latin lexicons that often had renderings from the Roman Catholic Latin Vulgate as its definition of original-language words of Scripture?
Unchained from blindly following readings added from the Latin Vulgate that are not found in a majority of preserved Greek NT manuscripts?
Unchained from following conjectures introduced by Erasmus and Beza into their edited texts that may also have as many as 1800 minority readings?
Unchained from Church of England bias that changed some renderings in the pre-1611 English Bible to those more favorable to Church of England doctrinal views?
Unchained from following the Bishops' Bible of which the KJV was officially a revision when it had some more archaic and less accurate renderings than the 1560 Geneva Bible or other pre-1611 English Bibles had?

Perhaps the Church of England makers of the KJV were more chained to King James the head of their church than they were to the Lord Jesus Christ since they were also involved in persecuting others for their faith that differed from some non-scriptural Church of England doctrines and practices that had been kept from the Roman Catholic Church.

 

Yes, you in effect misrepresent them when you try to add to them or read into them exclusive only claims for the KJV that they do not teach or misuse them to advocate those non-scriptural KJV-only opinions.

 

The providential movement of God is to the West. The Geneva bible from the heartland of Calvinism might have been okay for the English speakers in Europe but it was not what God had in mind for the Americas. He prepared the KJV in England but he raised up a nation in the West where the freedoms and liberty he promised would be evident. America is the only nation ever who chose Jesus Christ to be it's God and God has richly blessed our nation. Certainly the Calvinists came over here with their Geneva bible but thankfully God overruled them and the KJV is the bible our nation was founded on. The Great Adversary knows how powerful the true word of God is and has been working feverishly to diminish it's influence, knowing he cannot eliminate it.

Balaam of the OT, claiming to be a prophet of God, taught the people to accept and intermarry with the heathen in order to compromise God's people. His tactics do not change because they work. He has his modern prophets to write many bibles to disperse in the crowd and what is the result of Christianity in America over the last 100 years after that practice became the majority philosophy. It is weakness, compromise, worldliness, and according to the prophetic word in the Revelation where this last days church is pictured by Laodicea, it is a sickening church to Jesus Christ that he is not in. When something gets this bad it cannot be redeemed, it must be judged and that is what is getting ready to happen.

Anyone reading the OT with discernment will recognize that God in his providence has several pivot points in his dealings with mankind. It is not different in the NT. The KJV and God's moving West is certainly a pivot point of his to preserve humanity and his church. His purpose in time is restitution of his divine order for the world and mankind that he intended in the very beginning and that will be accomplished in a set time that we are all heading toward, called the day of the LORD judgement when he will purge every single rebel from off the earth and establish the kingdom of Jesus Christ over the nations..

Meanwhile, it was God who established human government as his operative principle of divine dealing after Noah stepped off of the boat and that continues until this very day and will continue for as long as Jesus Christ is a man, which is forever. The division of mankind into nations with many kings until the time that Christ will finally reign over all nations has a specific purpose. It is stated plainly here.

Acts 17:22 Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious.
23 For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, To The Unknown God. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.
24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;
26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

You can see that God determined the boundaries of the nations. It was not happenstance that his pivot point in history was to establish America for the purpose he stated. The rulers of the nations are his ministers of justice and will be judged as such one day. God delivered his church from the influence of Rome and Calvin but now they have all opted to rule under the Satanic principles and in opposition to God. That is a decision on their part. It is why we are seeing the struggle for our nation today. Satan has infiltrated our institutions with the Babylonians (Catholics and Calvinists) and they have almost complete control now. They are attempting now to deliver this nation to the devil. They are snuffing out the light and the new bibles are not something that Christians generally will stand upon to resist them. It has been a very clever ruse.

Isaiah 13:9
Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

Zephaniah 3:8
Therefore wait ye upon me, saith the Lord, until the day that I rise up to the prey: for my determination is to gather the nations, that I may assemble the kingdoms, to pour upon them mine indignation, even all my fierce anger: for all the earth shall be devoured with the fire of my jealousy.


Rom 13: 1Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.
6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.
7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.

I am telling you this because you must recognize the pivot points of God as he brings the unsaved world to a climax of judgement. But this age is a time when he has given the whole world the gospel of God, the good news that Jesus Christ has propitiated him for the sins of every sinner because he offered his sinless self as a substitute for the sins of the whole world, taking them away by accepting freely the awful fiery vengeful judgement of God and reconciling sinful men to God, sinners who all can claim forgiveness and sonship by simply coming to God in his name, and in repentance, and trusting in his ability to save them from this horrible fate that is coming on the whole earth.

The KJV bible is the light that shines brightest. The land of the free has been the place from which it has shined. No wonder the devil wants to put the light out.

Let's herald the KJV and give the world the best chance it can have for salvation.

Matthew 24:27
For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

 

Numbers 22:9, ". . . And God came unto Balaam, . . ." Hmm.

 

You do not prove your opinion or assertion that the KJV is the Bible our nation was founded on to be true. Others disagree with your unproven opinion.

The Geneva Bible had an important influence on America and its founding. David Daniell noted: “The Geneva Bible was at the heart of the founding of those colonies, as will be seen, in a greater way than even [the] KJV” (Bible in English, p. 221). David Daniell contended: “This evidence of the regular use of the Geneva Bible can be supported by many documents from the colonies” (p. 425). Cotton Mather (1663-1729) in his history of Harvard referred to “the notes in the Geneva Bible (which were considered authoritative)” (Hall, Genevan Reformation and the American Founding, p. 313). G. S. Wegener maintained that the Geneva Bible “was to become equally popular in America, where it accompanied many who exiled themselves from Britain for conscience’s sake” (6000 Years, p. 237). Valerie Offord noted that “the Geneva Bible was in the hands of those founding families when they landed to start a colony in Jamestown, Virginia, in 1607” (Tyndale Society Journal, August, 2007, p. 6). Jack Lewis also confirmed that “the Geneva played an important role in the history of early America” (English Bible, p. 26). John Jeffcoat wrote: “America was founded upon the Geneva Bible, not the King James Bible” (www.Greatsite.com). James P. Stobaugh also wrote: “American was founded upon the Geneva Bible, not the King James Bible” (Studies in World History, Vol. 2, p. 120). J. Paul Foster wrote: “It can truthfully be said that this version shaped America. For it was the Geneva Bible that the Pilgrims brought over with them to America, and, as all their laws and institutions were founded on that Book, and their Bible was the Geneva version, was not America’s childhood shaped by that version?” (The Christian Nation, Vol. 54, June 7, 1911, p. 5). David Hall asserted: “Primary documents confirm the thesis we have been documenting: the Declaration of Independence, acts of the Continental Congress between 1776 and 1787, and the United States Constitution all bear the impress of two centuries of Calvinistic thinking” (Genevan Reformation, p, 420). David Hall wrote: “Other transporters of Calvinism to the West were the Geneva Bible and Beza’s New Testament Annotations” (p. 286).

The 1560 Geneva Bible had a great influence on the making of the KJV, and the KJV borrowed many of its renderings from it. The great majority of the Church of England makers of the KJV were Calvinists. It was around 1620 or later that the Church of England started to turn from Calvinism.

 

History proves that God in his grace and wisdom provided the world with great light. Ronald Reagan said that America is a great light like a city set on a hill. This is true. The churches that were raised up in this nation have taken the wonderful gospel of Christ to the rest of the world because they believed the KJV that says Christ died for the sins of the whole world. If God were acting in his providence to secure a nation with laws patterned after his laws to produce preachers to take that message to the rest of the world, why would he raise up a bunch of Calvinists who don’t even believe that? THINK!

God had to separate his church from the leaven of false religion and put it in an environment where the prevailing influences would not detract from his truths in his word. The KJV was the foundation of our great nation and as long as it was revered our nation was great. Our founding fathers understood who the enemies of freedom were and we had to have a nation without leaders from those religions that darkened Europe. Since we have been printing mv’s In the last century, all that has changed. The darkness is increasing at the same rate that the KJV is decreasing in our churches and a whole new religion has captured our government and they are not promoting the righteous moral government of God.

One can see why they would turn from Calvinism after 1611. It was because the light shined on Calvinism in 1611 and exposed it as being a false religion.

 

I can see how they do not believe them when they are told they are not really the words of God, can't you? See, you don't believe the KJV is the words of God. You have often said that while at the same time saying it is a good translation, about as good as any translation. You don't believe any of the MV's are the words of God, you say. How are you different from the pastors who are in decline, who, you say, "don't completely believe whatever bible versions they use?" You are confusing me.

 

Perhaps you merely jump to your unproven conclusion based on use of the post hoc fallacy.
You assume or presume instead of prove what you claim. Many other things may be responsible for what you try to blame on modern versions.