The Atonement of Christ: What did it REALLY Achieve ?

[Brightfame52]

Rom 5:11

11And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

The Atonement of Christ has reconciled the elect world to God. It secured and ensured for it [ the elect world] every spiritual blessing needed to live unto God and for His Glory through Jesus Christ.

Even before the elect are born into this world as sinners, they have already [by the blood of Christ] been reconciled to God, it will now be a matter of time for it to be manifested.

The atonement accomplished the complete salvation for all whom it was offered for, that is the death of Christ. It provides them Faith, repentance, sanctification, redemption, and every needful spiritual blessing to convert them to God, and remain secured forever.

 

[37818]

Rom 5:11

11And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

The Atonement of Christ has reconciled the elect world to God. It secured and ensured for it [ the elect world] every spiritual blessing needed to live unto God and for His Glory through Jesus Christ.

Even before the elect are born into this world as sinners, they have already [by the blood of Christ] been reconciled to God, it will now be a matter of time for it to be manifested.

The atonement accomplished the complete salvation for all whom it was offered for, that is the death of Christ. It provides them Faith, repentance, sanctification, redemption, and every needful spiritual blessing to convert them to God, and remain secured forever.

On the premise that the atonement is only for God's elect, how is one to know one has any part in it. Belief does not make what one believes to be true.

 

[Brightfame52]

On the premise that the atonement is only for God's elect, how is one to know one has any part in it. Belief does not make what one believes to be true.

That information is communicated to the Elect by the Gospel. God gives them the Spirit, Faith to believe the Gospel of their Salvation.

 

[37818]

That information is communicated to the Elect by the Gospel.

How?

God gives them the Spirit, Faith to believe the Gospel of their Salvation.

That does not explain how one knows one is among those for whom Christ died. Luke 8:13 or Matthew 7:21-23 or Matthew 22:14.

 

[Brightfame52]

How?

That does not explain how one knows one is among those for whom Christ died. Luke 8:13 or Matthew 7:21-23 or Matthew 22:14.

I have nothing else for you. God communicates a knowledge of Salvation to the elect by His Spirit 1 Cor 2:12

12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

 

[37818]

12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

". . . Now we have received, not the spirit of the world , but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. . . ." Yes, so without the general atonement being true, how does God tell one one is atoned to believe truthfully of having been atoned from one's sins? Luke 8:13 or Matthew 7:21-23 or Matthew 22:14.

 

[Brightfame52]

Deliverance from unbelief !

Unbelief is one of the sins that the elect world is saved from, that's the significance of this portion Jn 16:8-9.

The Holy Spirit convicts the elect unbeliever of sin and gives them faith.

Paul is an example, he was an elect who in unbelief rejected Jesus Christ and persecuted His followers, being blinded by the god of this world, but when it pleased God, He revealed in Him Jesus christ and he became a believer.

1 Tim 1:12-15,16

12 And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry;

13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.

14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith [to believe] and love which is in Christ Jesus.

15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

Being saved experimentally is being delivered from unbelief .

16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.

The Fact is, no one Jesus Christ died to save, can ever die in unbelief, that would defeat one of the main purposes of His death accomplishments.

 

[37818]

Deliverance from unbelief !

Unbelief is one of the sins that the elect world is saved from, that's the significance of this portion Jn 16:8-9.

The Holy Spirit convicts the elect unbeliever of sin and gives them faith.

Paul is an example, he was an elect who in unbelief rejected Jesus Christ and persecuted His followers, being blinded by the god of this world, but when it pleased God, He revealed in Him Jesus christ and he became a believer.

1 Tim 1:12-15,16

12 And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry;

13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.

14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith [to believe] and love which is in Christ Jesus.

15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

Being saved experimentally is being delivered from unbelief .

16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.

The Fact is, no one Jesus Christ died to save, can ever die in unbelief, that would defeat one of the main purposes of His death accomplishments.

That sounds good. But with the atonement only been for His elect how do His elect know they are atoned? Luke 8:13 or Matthew 7:21-23 or Matthew 22:14 or 2 Peter 1:9-10.

 

[AustinC]

That sounds good. But with the atonement only been for His elect how do His elect know they are atoned? Luke 8:13 or Matthew 7:21-23 or Matthew 22:14 or 2 Peter 1:9-10.

How does a child know their parent loves them?

 

[Brightfame52]

That sounds good. But with the atonement only been for His elect how do His elect know they are atoned? Luke 8:13 or Matthew 7:21-23 or Matthew 22:14 or 2 Peter 1:9-10.

Do you see how the elect, those for whom Christ died are delivered from unbelief ?

 

[Yeshua1]

Do you see how the elect, those for whom Christ died are delivered from unbelief ?

The elect will be those who have been given ears to hear, who will know the voice of the Lord Jesus!

 

[37818]

Do you see how the elect, those for whom Christ died are delivered from unbelief ?

Your argument makes no sense since even the non elect are give belief per Psalms 19:4 being the word of God per Romans 10:17-18.

 

[AustinC]

Your argument makes no sense since even the non elect are give belief per Psalms 19:4 being the word of God per Romans 10:17-18.

Even those who deny God?

Psalms does not support your contention.

Psalm 19:1-6 The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky above proclaims his handiwork. Day to day pours out speech, and night to night reveals knowledge. There is no speech, nor are there words, whose voice is not heard. Their voice goes out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them he has set a tent for the sun, which comes out like a bridegroom leaving his chamber, and, like a strong man, runs its course with joy. Its rising is from the end of the heavens, and its circuit to the end of them, and there is nothing hidden from its heat.

Again Romans does not support your contention.

Romans 10:14-19 How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching? And how are they to preach unless they are sent? As it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the good news!” But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed what he has heard from us?” So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ. But I ask, have they not heard? Indeed they have, for “Their voice has gone out to all the earth, and their words to the ends of the world.” But I ask, did Israel not understand? First Moses says, “I will make you jealous of those who are not a nation; with a foolish nation I will make you angry.”

 

[Brightfame52]

What are the objectives and effects of the death of Christ ?

Why was it important for those He shed His blood for ? It provided unto them redemption per Eph 1:7

7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

The word for redemption is:

apolytrōsis and means:

releasing effected by payment of ransom

a) redemption, deliverance

b) liberation procured by the payment of a ransom

The death of Christ procured the Liberation of His people who had been captive by satan and under his power of darkness.

So all them whom Christ redeemed by His blood are recipients in time of the Spirit of Liberty.

2 Cor 3:17

Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

It is written of Christ in the OT Isa 61:1

The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;

also Lk 4:18

The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

So, one of the objectives and effects of the death of Christ for His People is their redemption which secure unto them their regeneration, or birth by the Spirit, which gives them Spiritual liberty !

 

[Brightfame52]

What are the objectives and effects of the death of Christ ?

Another accomplishment of the Death of Christ, it ensured the Spiritual cleansing and sanctification of all those He died for. The church.

Eph 5:25-26

Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26 to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word,

to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word,

Jesus pointed that out in His Prayer Jn 17:19

19 For them I sanctify myself, that they too may be truly sanctified.

 

[MB]

Rom 5:11

11And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

The Atonement of Christ has reconciled the elect world to God. It secured and ensured for it [ the elect world] every spiritual blessing needed to live unto God and for His Glory through Jesus Christ.

Even before the elect are born into this world as sinners, they have already [by the blood of Christ] been reconciled to God, it will now be a matter of time for it to be manifested.

The atonement accomplished the complete salvation for all whom it was offered for, that is the death of Christ. It provides them Faith, repentance, sanctification, redemption, and every needful spiritual blessing to convert them to God, and remain secured forever.

This is how what you claim sounds to me.If Calvinist already have Salvation when they are born why worry about those who don't. Why object to what they believe? Indeed why argue with us low lifes at all.You are claiming Calvinist are incarnate just like God was. Do you also claim to be just like God?
MB

 

[Brightfame52]

This is how what you claim sounds to me.If Calvinist already have Salvation when they are born why worry about those who don't. Why object to what they believe? Indeed why argue with us low lifes at all.You are claiming Calvinist are incarnate just like God was. Do you also claim to be just like God?
MB

Do you want to discuss the post points or not ?

 

[AustinC]

This is how what you claim sounds to me.If Calvinist already have Salvation when they are born why worry about those who don't. Why object to what they believe? Indeed why argue with us low lifes at all. You are claiming Calvinist are incarnate just like God was. Do you also claim to be just like God?
MB

Are you claiming you are not a Christian?

 

[Brightfame52]

More on the Accomplishments !

Jesus blood shed was in order to sanctify the people, those people he shed His blood for Heb 13:12

12 Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.

Those Jesus Christ died for, it ensures them, the sanctifying work of the Holy Spirit and the belief of the Truth 2 Thess 2:13

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

He prays for this very blessing right here Jn 17:19,20

19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth. [ see Heb 13:12]

20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

This applies to all future believers, for Jesus says which shall believe !9

Thats a promise that they shall believe, because of the sanctifying work of the Holy Ghost in them.

All this by the blood of Christ, what He accomplished !

 

[Humble Disciple]

What limited atonement and universalism share in common is that they both make Jesus' atonement definite, that it will unfailingly save everyone it was intended to save, while provisionism and Arminianism just make salvation possible, up to individual free will to accept or reject it, with the possibility of falling away. I wish universalism were true, but it's not taught in the Bible, and it seems to provide license to sin.