Featured The Atonement of Christ: What did it REALLY Achieve ?

Two things per Romans 8:34.

 

This sounds like your an advocate of universalism "The Fact is, no one Jesus Christ died to save, can ever die in unbelief"

Mat_9:13; Luk_5:32 died for sinners
1Ti_2:3-6; Isa_53:6 all
Heb_2:9; 1Ti_4:10 every man
Joh_3:17 the world
Rom_5:6 the ungodly
2Pe_2:1 false teachers
Joh 3:16; 18 whoever believes

The atonement was not meant for a select few but for everyone so that those that believe would be saved.

 

I do notice one thing, you really like to ignore context. You do realize that Christ Jesus atoned for more that just the church.

Mat_9:13; Luk_5:32 died for sinners
1Ti_2:3-6; Isa_53:6 all
Heb_2:9; 1Ti_4:10 every man
Joh_3:17 the world
Rom_5:6 the ungodly
2Pe_2:1 false teachers
Joh 3:16; 18 whoever believes

Try not to forget these in your studies.

 

Indeed the atonement is for all who believe. That ability to believe is only accomplished by the work of the Holy Spirit in making a person alive with Christ (Ephesians 2:1-10).
No person has the ability, on there own, to seek after God (Romans 3).
Only those who are given the gift of faith are made righteous and justified by God.

"Those that believe" are those whom God has particularly chosen and given to Jesus as His sheep.

 

The under lined is not in scripture Where do you get this from?

 

You, by your theology, have cheapened the atonement of Christ Jesus. Your theology makes the death and resurrection of Christ Jesus of no necessity. By your own words you do not even have faith to believe in Christ Jesus. You have to be given it so you can. So for you God saves you before you have even trusted in His son. You also said that only a select group are regenerated so they can have faith which means that everyone else is condemned before they are even born. That is a truly twisted view of scripture and results in a very low view of God.

You said the atonement was for all believers and I agree but the reach of the atonement was not just for the so call “elect”.

In case you missed them here are those verses again:

Mat_9:13; Luk_5:32 died for sinners
1Ti_2:3-6; Isa_53:6 all
Heb_2:9; 1Ti_4:10 every man
Joh_3:17 the world
Rom_5:6 the ungodly
2Pe_2:1 false teachers
Eph_5:25 the Church
Gal_2:20 “me”

You have this great ability to look at scripture and then ignore what it says but instead read into it what your theology requires. You do not want the truth you only want calvinism. You may find solace in the TULIP and the rest of the calvinist teachings but I do not find them to be God honouring, but just the opposite.

We will continue to disagree on this and many other topics over time

 

The text with the underline is from post #7 by Brightframe52. Just wanted to hylite the words he said.

 

Amen.

No, he is not.
If I'm not mistaken ( and I don't believe that I am ), he is an advocate of what some call "Particular Redemption", and what is known in theological circles as "Limited Atonement".

I've highlighted them in his quote from post # 7 above, which can indeed be found in the Scriptures.
Where did @Brightfame52 get it?

" But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." ( 2 Peter 3:8-9 ).

In the above.

God is not willing that any of His beloved perish ( John 3:15-16, John 5:24, John 6:39, John 10:27-29 ), but that they all come to repentance ( John 6:37 ).
Not a single one of those that were given to Christ by His Father shall ever be lost;

The Lord Jesus' work on the cross, and His precious blood that was shed for them ( Isaiah 53:8, Matthew 1:21, Matthew 26:18, Mark 14:24, Luke 22:20, John 10:11 ), bought each and every one of them.

 

No one seeks God.

 

Except those that He causes to approach Him:

" Blessed is the man whom thou choosest, and causest to approach unto thee, that he may dwell in thy courts: we shall be satisfied with the goodness of thy house, even of thy holy temple." ( Psalms 65:4 ).

It truly is a miracle of His grace that He should condescend to change someone's heart, so that they will then listen to His words and believe them ( Acts of the Apostles 16:14 ).
I'm reminded of John Newton's words in "Amazing Grace".

 

I'm not surprised. Thank you for clearing that up.
MB

 

It's interesting you would deny scripture to defend your Calvinism. Only the fool in Ps 14 would say such a thing.
MB

 

It is amazing how you defend your ignorance of Divine Truth...as the Holy Spirit had Paul quote this in Roman's 3 about both Jew and Gentile.
It is because of the teaching of Jesus and the Apostles that Calvinists are known for following the truth of all such verses.

 

It is not by my words, it is by God's word.
Paul takes the first 3 chapters of Romans to drive home the fact that no one is justified before God, except by faith. In Romans 3 he tells us that "none", "no one" seeks God. He then tells us...

But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it— the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction: for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God’s righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins. It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus. ~ Romans 3:21-26

How can one who is dead in trespasses and sin have faith? God tells us...

But God , being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. ~ Ephesians 2:4-9

Silverhair, this is God's word telling us these things. If God's word will not convince you of his particular atonement, nothing will.

 

Calvinism vs. Arminianism is not just a matter of predestination vs. free will. It’s also a question of what did Christ’s suffering and death accomplish.

Did Jesus give up His life to unfailingly save a definite number of people or to just make salvation possible for no individuals in particular, with the possibility of falling away from salvation?

 

I may be ignorant Icon but at least I know what is gospel and what isn't . God speaking to a snake who deceived Eve is not a gospel promise. It is a fact and it is a curse on the snake and men. Calvinism is false every bit of it and your claim of a promise is just as false. Ignorance is on you.

MB