The Atonement of Christ: What did it REALLY Achieve ?

[Brightfame52]

It ensures belief of the Truth

The death of Christ, as i have shown from scripture, ensures sanctification fo those who He died Jn 17:17,19

17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.

So, Jesus death ensures the Sovereign sanctiying work of the Holy Spirit, which results in belief of the Truth.

2 Thess 2:13

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

Its absolutely impossible for anyone whom Christ died, not to believe the Truth as it is in Christ Jesus, for the Holy Ghost of His, is for certain to lead every blood sanctified soul into the Truth Jn 16:13

13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth:

So all those God wills to be saved and come into the Knowledge of the Truth as per 1 Tim 2:4

4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

They will sooner or later be subjects of the Sovereign Sanctifying work of the Spirit unto belief of the Truth.

This is a accomplishment of the Atonement of Christ.

 

[37818]

Two things per Romans 8:34.

 

[Silverhair]

Deliverance from unbelief !

Unbelief is one of the sins that the elect world is saved from, that's the significance of this portion Jn 16:8-9.

The Holy Spirit convicts the elect unbeliever of sin and gives them faith.

Paul is an example, he was an elect who in unbelief rejected Jesus Christ and persecuted His followers, being blinded by the god of this world, but when it pleased God, He revealed in Him Jesus christ and he became a believer.

1 Tim 1:12-15,16

12 And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry;

13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.

14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith [to believe] and love which is in Christ Jesus.

15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

Being saved experimentally is being delivered from unbelief .

16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.

The Fact is, no one Jesus Christ died to save, can ever die in unbelief, that would defeat one of the main purposes of His death accomplishments.

This sounds like your an advocate of universalism "The Fact is, no one Jesus Christ died to save, can ever die in unbelief"

Mat_9:13; Luk_5:32 died for sinners
1Ti_2:3-6; Isa_53:6 all
Heb_2:9; 1Ti_4:10 every man
Joh_3:17 the world
Rom_5:6 the ungodly
2Pe_2:1 false teachers
Joh 3:16; 18 whoever believes

The atonement was not meant for a select few but for everyone so that those that believe would be saved.

 

[Silverhair]

What are the objectives and effects of the death of Christ ?

Another accomplishment of the Death of Christ, it ensured the Spiritual cleansing and sanctification of all those He died for. The church.

Eph 5:25-26

Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26 to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word,

to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word,

Jesus pointed that out in His Prayer Jn 17:19

19 For them I sanctify myself, that they too may be truly sanctified.

I do notice one thing, you really like to ignore context. You do realize that Christ Jesus atoned for more that just the church.

Mat_9:13; Luk_5:32 died for sinners
1Ti_2:3-6; Isa_53:6 all
Heb_2:9; 1Ti_4:10 every man
Joh_3:17 the world
Rom_5:6 the ungodly
2Pe_2:1 false teachers
Joh 3:16; 18 whoever believes

Try not to forget these in your studies.

 

[AustinC]

This sounds like your an advocate of universalism "The Fact is, no one Jesus Christ died to save, can ever die in unbelief"

Mat_9:13; Luk_5:32 died for sinners
1Ti_2:3-6; Isa_53:6 all
Heb_2:9; 1Ti_4:10 every man
Joh_3:17 the world
Rom_5:6 the ungodly
2Pe_2:1 false teachers
Joh 3:16; 18 whoever believes

The atonement was not meant for a select few but for everyone so that those that believe would be saved.

Indeed the atonement is for all who believe. That ability to believe is only accomplished by the work of the Holy Spirit in making a person alive with Christ (Ephesians 2:1-10).
No person has the ability, on there own, to seek after God (Romans 3).
Only those who are given the gift of faith are made righteous and justified by God.

"Those that believe" are those whom God has particularly chosen and given to Jesus as His sheep.

 

[Brightfame52]

Redemption from all iniquity !

Titus 2:14

14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify [cleanse see Eph 5:26] unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

The Atonement of Christ has been successful, and has accomplished that what God intended.12

It was for redemption from all iniquity [ to include unbelief] and purification from all sin and unrighteousness. For that was the Divine Purpose for which Christ gave Himself for His People [ church], in order that they should be Holy and blameless before God in Love, unto which cause God chose and predestinated them, that they should be conformed to the Holy Image of His Son, hence it was not possible for not one sin to be committed, which was outside of the counsel and purpose of God, and for which Christ did not give Himself for as an Offering, and make a full and perfect Atonement.

 

[Brightfame52]

silverhair

This sounds like your an advocate of universalism "

Your judgment is way off !

 

[Brightfame52]

I do notice one thing, you really like to ignore context. You do realize that Christ Jesus atoned for more that just the church.

Mat_9:13; Luk_5:32 died for sinners
1Ti_2:3-6; Isa_53:6 all
Heb_2:9; 1Ti_4:10 every man
Joh_3:17 the world
Rom_5:6 the ungodly
2Pe_2:1 false teachers
Joh 3:16; 18 whoever believes

Try not to forget these in your studies.

Again:

What are the objectives and effects of the death of Christ ?

Another accomplishment of the Death of Christ, it ensured the Spiritual cleansing and sanctification of all those He died for. The church.

Eph 5:25-26

Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word,

Jesus pointed that out in His Prayer Jn 17:19

19 For them I sanctify myself, that they too may be truly sanctified.

 

[MB]

This sounds like your an advocate of universalism "The Fact is, no one Jesus Christ died to save, can ever die in unbelief"

The under lined is not in scripture Where do you get this from?

Mat_9:13; Luk_5:32 died for sinners
1Ti_2:3-6; Isa_53:6 all
Heb_2:9; 1Ti_4:10 every man
Joh_3:17 the world
Rom_5:6 the ungodly
2Pe_2:1 false teachers
Joh 3:16; 18 whoever believes

The atonement was not meant for a select few but for everyone so that those that believe would be saved.

 

[Silverhair]

Indeed the atonement is for all who believe. That ability to believe is only accomplished by the work of the Holy Spirit in making a person alive with Christ (Ephesians 2:1-10).
No person has the ability, on there own, to seek after God (Romans 3).
Only those who are given the gift of faith are made righteous and justified by God.

"Those that believe" are those whom God has particularly chosen and given to Jesus as His sheep.

You, by your theology, have cheapened the atonement of Christ Jesus. Your theology makes the death and resurrection of Christ Jesus of no necessity. By your own words you do not even have faith to believe in Christ Jesus. You have to be given it so you can. So for you God saves you before you have even trusted in His son. You also said that only a select group are regenerated so they can have faith which means that everyone else is condemned before they are even born. That is a truly twisted view of scripture and results in a very low view of God.

You said the atonement was for all believers and I agree but the reach of the atonement was not just for the so call “elect”.

In case you missed them here are those verses again:

Mat_9:13; Luk_5:32 died for sinners
1Ti_2:3-6; Isa_53:6 all
Heb_2:9; 1Ti_4:10 every man
Joh_3:17 the world
Rom_5:6 the ungodly
2Pe_2:1 false teachers
Eph_5:25 the Church
Gal_2:20 “me”

You have this great ability to look at scripture and then ignore what it says but instead read into it what your theology requires. You do not want the truth you only want calvinism. You may find solace in the TULIP and the rest of the calvinist teachings but I do not find them to be God honouring, but just the opposite.

We will continue to disagree on this and many other topics over time

 

[Silverhair]

The under lined is not in scripture Where do you get this from?

The text with the underline is from post #7 by Brightframe52. Just wanted to hylite the words he said.

 

[Dave G]

The Fact is, no one Jesus Christ died to save, can ever die in unbelief, that would defeat one of the main purposes of His death accomplishments.

Amen.

This sounds like your an advocate of universalism "The Fact is, no one Jesus Christ died to save, can ever die in unbelief"

No, he is not.
If I'm not mistaken ( and I don't believe that I am ), he is an advocate of what some call "Particular Redemption", and what is known in theological circles as "Limited Atonement".

The under lined is not in scripture Where do you get this from?

I've highlighted them in his quote from post # 7 above, which can indeed be found in the Scriptures.
Where did @Brightfame52 get it?

" But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." ( 2 Peter 3:8-9 ).

In the above.

God is not willing that any of His beloved perish ( John 3:15-16, John 5:24, John 6:39, John 10:27-29 ), but that they all come to repentance ( John 6:37 ).
Not a single one of those that were given to Christ by His Father shall ever be lost;

The Lord Jesus' work on the cross, and His precious blood that was shed for them ( Isaiah 53:8, Matthew 1:21, Matthew 26:18, Mark 14:24, Luke 22:20, John 10:11 ), bought each and every one of them.

 

[Iconoclast]

The under lined is not in scripture Where do you get this from?

No one seeks God.

 

[Dave G]

No one seeks God.

Except those that He causes to approach Him:

" Blessed is the man whom thou choosest, and causest to approach unto thee, that he may dwell in thy courts: we shall be satisfied with the goodness of thy house, even of thy holy temple." ( Psalms 65:4 ).

It truly is a miracle of His grace that He should condescend to change someone's heart, so that they will then listen to His words and believe them ( Acts of the Apostles 16:14 ).
I'm reminded of John Newton's words in "Amazing Grace".

 

[MB]

The text with the underline is from post #7 by Brightframe52. Just wanted to hylite the words he said.

I'm not surprised. Thank you for clearing that up.
MB

 

[MB]

No one seeks God.

It's interesting you would deny scripture to defend your Calvinism. Only the fool in Ps 14 would say such a thing.
MB

 

[Iconoclast]

It's interesting you would deny scripture to defend your Calvinism. Only the fool in Ps 14 would say such a thing.
MB

It is amazing how you defend your ignorance of Divine Truth...as the Holy Spirit had Paul quote this in Roman's 3 about both Jew and Gentile.
It is because of the teaching of Jesus and the Apostles that Calvinists are known for following the truth of all such verses.

 

[AustinC]

You, by your theology, have cheapened the atonement of Christ Jesus. Your theology makes the death and resurrection of Christ Jesus of no necessity. By your own words you do not even have faith to believe in Christ Jesus. You have to be given it so you can. So for you God saves you before you have even trusted in His son. You also said that only a select group are regenerated so they can have faith which means that everyone else is condemned before they are even born. That is a truly twisted view of scripture and results in a very low view of God.

You said the atonement was for all believers and I agree but the reach of the atonement was not just for the so call “elect”.

In case you missed them here are those verses again:

Mat_9:13; Luk_5:32 died for sinners
1Ti_2:3-6; Isa_53:6 all
Heb_2:9; 1Ti_4:10 every man
Joh_3:17 the world
Rom_5:6 the ungodly
2Pe_2:1 false teachers
Eph_5:25 the Church
Gal_2:20 “me”

You have this great ability to look at scripture and then ignore what it says but instead read into it what your theology requires. You do not want the truth you only want calvinism. You may find solace in the TULIP and the rest of the calvinist teachings but I do not find them to be God honouring, but just the opposite.

We will continue to disagree on this and many other topics over time

It is not by my words, it is by God's word.
Paul takes the first 3 chapters of Romans to drive home the fact that no one is justified before God, except by faith. In Romans 3 he tells us that "none", "no one" seeks God. He then tells us...

But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it— the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction: for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God’s righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins. It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus. ~ Romans 3:21-26

How can one who is dead in trespasses and sin have faith? God tells us...

But God , being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. ~ Ephesians 2:4-9

Silverhair, this is God's word telling us these things. If God's word will not convince you of his particular atonement, nothing will.

 

[Humble Disciple]

Calvinism vs. Arminianism is not just a matter of predestination vs. free will. It’s also a question of what did Christ’s suffering and death accomplish.

Did Jesus give up His life to unfailingly save a definite number of people or to just make salvation possible for no individuals in particular, with the possibility of falling away from salvation?

 

[MB]

It is amazing how you defend your ignorance of Divine Truth...as the Holy Spirit had Paul quote this in Roman's 3 about both Jew and Gentile.
It is because of the teaching of Jesus and the Apostles that Calvinists are known for following the truth of all such verses.

I may be ignorant Icon but at least I know what is gospel and what isn't . God speaking to a snake who deceived Eve is not a gospel promise. It is a fact and it is a curse on the snake and men. Calvinism is false every bit of it and your claim of a promise is just as false. Ignorance is on you.

MB