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If Jesus was man and God how can Calvinist say we are born sinners when scripture does not ever say that.?If this were so Christ Him Self would be a sinner just like the rest of man
MB

 

My point is that man may be born in sin. Yet man is not a born sinner. The Bible never says so. Many here will tell you that when babies die they go straight to hell. This is because they lay Adams sin on them before they even take there first breath. Christ was born sinless this is true also new born babies are born sinless. Man has not inherited Adam's sin.Nor does scripture say we have.. In fact the Bible says we are not held accountable for someone else's sin.
The Bible also says Jesus would be born of a woman. To me that means Mary was related to Jesus
MB

 

neither do i
MB

 

No one denies that Jesus is fully human, but without sin. What I am stating is that Jesus, as the 2nd Adam, comes into the world like the 1st Adam, without the curse of Adam upon him.

 

Do you both deny being born in iniquity?

Psalm 51:3-7 For I know my transgressions, and my sin is ever before me. Against you, you only, have I sinned and done what is evil in your sight, so that you may be justified in your words and blameless in your judgment. Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me.Behold, you delight in truth in the inward being, and you teach me wisdom in the secret heart. Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean; wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow.

 

Adam, because of the fall became a slave to sin. He was justified by faith (as all humans are). His offspring are all born in slavery to sin so that they must be justified by faith so as to have God's wrath abated against them.
Jesus was not born a slave to sin. His righteousness did not come from faith in the Promised One. He was born righteous. Not under the curse God placed on Adam and all his offspring.

May I ask this question:
Was every person born, from Cain onward, born in freedom and then later became a slave to sin, or have all who were born been a slave to sin at conception?

I believe we are conceived as a slave to sin. It is the curse of Adam that he failed to obey God, failed to protect Eve from the serpent and failed to crush the serpents head. God gave Adam a task in the garden and he failed.

Jesus, as the second Adam, succeeded where Adam failed.

I wonder how Jesus, coming from Mary, who by nature is a slave to sin, can not be under the curse of sin if part of his humanity is tied to the very nature of Mary in the curse. Is not the reason why Mary must be sinless in Roman Catholic theology the struggle with understanding how Jesus is not under the curse? I acknowledge that Mary was a sinner like us all. How then is Jesus born not under the curse?

I suspect both of us would acknowledge that God could create another Adam from the dust who would be fully human. The question that is unanswerable is whether God created a sperm from nothing and implanted it in Mary's egg or whether God created without need for Mary's egg, yet this human went through all that it means to be born into this world.

It is a mystery as to how God incarnated God as man. I can live with this paradox.

 

Yet, we are born in sin. Science shows children deceiving parents as early as age 6 months. That sin nature is ever present in all humans from the moment of conception.

 

I know, no Greek.

However I wonder why in the Greek of Galatians 4:4,5 there is no definite article relative to law?

As I said I know, no Greek.

Does it matter?

 

I do not believe Adam failed.

Before Adam was created the Son of God was going to be manifested ( as man, subject to death as of a Lamb, without blemish and without spot - sinless conceived of and brought forth of a virgin ) ..... WHY?

To destroy the works of the devil and the devil himself 1 John 3:8 HOW? Through the death Hebrews 2:14 What does through mean?

That is called redemption and it was foreordained before the foundation of the world. The very means of destroying the devil and his works. ---- I do not believe Adam failed.

for to vanity was the creation made subject -- not of its will, but because of Him (God) who did subject it -- in hope,

Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity. Ecc 1:2

It had been vanity from the time God rested on the seventh day from all he had created and made ----- In HOPE - Redemption. The redemption of the body R 8:23

God made man of flesh for purpose. What is man, A little lower than the angels. Why?

 

Sure Adam failed. It's called...the Fall. "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God."
This does not remove the fact that God planned for the fall and had a means of reconciliation.
Adam failed to protect Eve. He failed to accomplish the task God set before him.

 

EXCEPT, Jesus did not come into the world as the 1st Adam. The 1st Adam was NOT born of a woman, but the 2nd Adam was born of HER SEED.

God could have made Jesus like Melchizedek, a mysterious person "without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life" (Hebrews 7:3), who walks into town like a hero in an old Western, which was actually a common expectation of the coming Messiah.

Frankly, that would have saved Jesus the credibility problems (Mark 6:3; Luke 4:22; John 8:30-42, 48) He faced throughout His ministry.