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Defending Biblical Dispensational Teaching. What Are Your Questions

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George Antonios

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The biggest issue I have with dispensational theology is the view there is a separate future for Jews and Christians.

Paul tells us in Ephesians that the two groups have been made into one “new man” by the work of Jesus on the cross.

For there to be a separate future for Jews and Christians the work of Jesus on the cross must be undone, which is impossible.

peace to you

Not a separate one for Jews and Gentiles of the church age.
 

canadyjd

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I see two or three things from your comments that could be framed into questions for someone who teaches dispensational theology.

1) How can Jews and gentiles both be in the body of Christ and remain separate and distinct outside the body of Christ?

2) Does the one new man in Ephesians equate to a modified and restructured "old man?"

Is that fair? If not, then rephrase them to be more in line with your thoughts.

Now, a question for you. Why would a future for the nation of Israel and the nations of the gentiles separate and apart from the church undo the work of Jesus on the cross?
Paul, in Ephesians, speaks of several things accomplished by the cross of Christ. The OT Law is abolished, the two groups are made into one new man, and both have access through the Father by Holy Spirit.

My understanding of dispensation theology is national Israel will be restored, along with a new temple and sacrifices and the worship of God according to the Law.

Is that correct?

peace to you
 

Marooncat79

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Paul, in Ephesians, speaks of several things accomplished by the cross of Christ. The OT Law is abolished, the two groups are made into one new man, and both have access through the Father by Holy Spirit.

My understanding of dispensation theology is national Israel will be restored, along with a new temple and sacrifices and the worship of God according to the Law.

Is that correct?

peace to you


great point

also, if the Temple Sacrafices are reinstituted are they efficacious?
Thanks Again
 

kyredneck

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Jeremiah wrote that God had divorced the nation of Israel

The Spirit, through the apostles, made no bones about convicting her for murdering her husband, Yahweh in the flesh, Christ the King:

7 How much soever she glorified herself, and waxed wanton, so much give her of torment and mourning: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall in no wise see mourning. Rev 18

...but indeed she IS no queen, and she IS a widow, and she HAS seen great misery over the centuries...
 
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tyndale1946

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The is no “age” after the “church age.” Jesus returns, we go to heaven

peace to you

Actually I am doing a study right now on this very thing called The Hope Of Israel... What Is It?... By Philip Mauro... I will leave the link in case any of you brethren would like to look into it... Unfortunately it is microform format so copy and paste is unavailable but here it is anyway, for those who are curious... I know its 273 pages:eek:... But between those 273 pages there is information, well worth it... Brother Glen:)

The hope of Israel [microform] what is it? : Mauro, Philip, 1859-1952 : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
 
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Yeshua1

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The Spirit, through the apostles, made no bones about convicting her for murdering her husband, Yahweh in the flesh, Christ the King:

7 How much soever she glorified herself, and waxed wanton, so much give her of torment and mourning: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall in no wise see mourning. Rev 18

...but indeed she IS no queen, and she IS a widow, and she HAS seen great misery over the centuries...
Paul announced still a future for them!
 

tyndale1946

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Jeremiah 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

The Hope Of Israel is both spiritual Jews and Gentiles... Brother Glen:)
 

kyredneck

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Galatians 4:26

the Jerusalem above, she is our mother

AMEN!

7 `Thou mayest not wonder that I said to thee, It behoveth you to be born from above;
8 the Spirit where he willeth doth blow
, and his voice thou dost hear, but thou hast not known whence he cometh, and whither he goeth; thus is every one who hath been born of the Spirit.` Jn 3 YLT
 
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canadyjd

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1) How can Jews and gentiles both be in the body of Christ and remain separate and distinct outside the body of Christ?

2) Does the one new man in Ephesians equate to a modified and restructured "old man?"
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To your question #1: The “Body of Christ” is identified in scripture as the church, made up of Jews/Gentiles.

To your question #2: The passage in Ephesians is talking about two groups (Jew and Gentile) being made into one new man by the work of Jesus on the cross. There is no discussion of a “modified and restructured old man” as becoming a new man.

peace to you
 

kyredneck

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this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts

AMEN!

13 for not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified:
14 (for when Gentiles that have not the law do by nature the things of the law, these, not having the law, are the law unto themselves;
15 in that they show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness therewith, and their thoughts one with another accusing or else excusing them); Ro 2
 

kyredneck

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To your question #1: The “Body of Christ” is identified in scripture as the church, made up of Jews/Gentiles.

To your question #2: The passage in Ephesians is talking about two groups (Jew and Gentile) being made into one new man by the work of Jesus on the cross. There is no discussion of a “modified and restructured old man” as becoming a new man.

peace to you

AMEN!

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice: and they shall become one flock, one shepherd. Jn 10
 
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