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Does the Bible teach Original Sin?

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Humble Disciple, Aug 2, 2021.

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    Eastern Orthodox Christians and Jews have always maintained that, while we inherited the inclination toward sin from Adam, we did not inherit the guilt of Adam's sin, which would go against the plain meaning of scripture.

    Ezekiel 18:20
    The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father; neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

    While death and sin entered the world through Adam's sin, Adam was not created as naturally immortal. If Adam had never sinned, he would still have needed to continue eating from the tree of life to live forever.

    Augustine's doctrine on original sin may have had more to do with his prior Manichaeism than with what scripture and the previous church fathers actually taught.

    While we indeed need God's grace to avoid sin and receive the forgiveness of sin, that doesn't mean we inherited the guilt of Adam's sin.

    The Anabaptists, who were the forerunners of the Baptist movement, taught that we inherited the inclination toward sin from Adam, but not Adam's guilt:

    Neither has Judaism ever taught the Augustinian doctrine:


    Eastern Orthodox Christians have never taught the Augustian doctrine of original sin, and many Eastern Orthodox Christians don't regard Augustine as a saint because of it. They instead refer to him as "Blessed Augustine," but not Saint Augustine.

    It's kind of strange when Baptists, who reject the Catholic doctrine of baptismal regeneration, insist upon the Catholic doctrine of original sin on which it hinges.
     
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    federal headship, as Adam represented to God all sinners, and now Jesus head of all saved, and so all died spiritual in Adam, now made alive again in Christ!
    God imputed to all in Adam his guilt and judgement!
     
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    Where is it taught in the Bible that we inherited the guilt of Adam's sin? Ezekiel 18:20 teaches the opposite.

     
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    Ezekiel has NOTHING to do with spiritual state, refers to getting the capital punishment for doing crimes!
     
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    So are you denying that in Adam, all sin?
     
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    If he does, he is now full blown Pel!
     
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    Sin is not ever placed on anyone who did not commit the sin by God. We did not inherit Adams sin and scripture never says we do
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    It isn't taught in the Bible. But it is the cornerstone of several theologies.
     
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    Original Sin is in the scriptures, as all died in Adam, and now all made alive again in Christ!
     
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    What do you really know about Baptist history? Instead of using straw men, why not look at what the Anabaptists actually taught? Why not also look at scripture itself?

    Ezekiel 18:20
    The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father; neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
     
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    Ezekiel 18:20
    The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father; neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
     
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    pot calling the kettle black
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    The Anabaptists, who were the forerunners of the Baptist movement, taught that we inherited the inclination toward sin from Adam, but not Adam's guilt:

     
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    Just like that BAM!!
     
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    Refers to if the son should be put to death for the crimes DADDY did, nothing to do about spiritual issues!
     
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    Ezekiel passage NOTHING to do with this issue!
     
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    The Anabaptists, who were the forerunners of the Baptist movement, taught that we inherited the inclination toward sin from Adam, but not Adam's guilt:

     
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    Looks like heresy trying to creep back in here now!
     
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