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Who is the real Charles Finney?

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Humble Disciple, Aug 1, 2021.

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  1. Van

    Van Well-Known Member
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    Does HD have an answer to my question? Any non-Calvinist?
     
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    He made Wesley look like John Calvin in his salvation beliefs!
     
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    Icon, if this is all HD is up to...all I can say is; no harm done. In fact, HD has certainly livened things up around here.

    See (my post here):
    How Should Arminians and Calvinists Approach One Another? | Baptist Christian Forums (baptistboard.com)
     
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    I had biggest issues with Billy making Rome appear to be just another Christian church!
     
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    Rome denies Pauline Justification, still teaches heresy!
     
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    I'll make one more set of replies to this thread to clarify my position, @Humble Disciple:

    What constitutes the Gospel, in the details, is not up for negotiation.
    That is why I do not subscribe to what is termed as "ecumenism", and why I do not agree with what is written in most confessions.
     
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    The Catholic church might be corrupt as an institution, but the same can be said of most denominational structures. If Catholic priests were on the side of Satan, how would they be able to perform exorcisms? Mark 9:38-39, Matthew 12:26
     
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    Yes, He did.

    That list of fruits is found here:
    Galatians 5:19-23.

    If my brothers and sisters in the faith find a preacher or a teacher exhibiting bad fruit based on that list, then the Bible says we are to mark and avoid them.
    Were they genuinely converted, or did they respond to the word of God and then fall away from the faith over time, as the parables of the sower and tares describe?

    Just because a person makes a profession of faith does not mean that they are saved, HD.
    The presence of the Holy Spirit, who leads all believers into the truth, makes all the difference between someone who believes and endures, continues in the word, and finally finishes their race...

    Versus someone who professes with the lips, but in their works and in the course of their lives, denies that they truly know God.
     
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    you actually read it correctly.
    There is a reason Finney is not trusted.
    He was a lawyer, sincere but quite mistaken
     
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    There is no doubt the RCC is evil. .Works are not proof of being Christian. Remember Christ told some He never knew them in spite of there works. Works do not save. Nor do they mean those who do them are saved.
    MB.
     
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    The point is not that we are saved by good works. The point is that, according to Jesus, we only have the power to cast out demons if we are in Him. Satan cannot cast out Satan. Mark 9:38-39, Matthew 12:26

    I have a lot of good reasons for not practicing Catholicism, but the idea that Catholics are unsaved simply for being Catholic isn't one of them.
     
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    Thanks, I expect you are correct, but I am still waiting for a non-Calvinist answer.
     
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    What does his past experience as a lawyer have anything to do with the content of his teachings and the many souls who, through the working of the Holy Spirit, were saved by his preaching?

    Finney gave up his pursuit of practicing law after having a profound experience of the Holy Spirit that convinced him to dedicate the rest of his life to serving Christ and His people.
     
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    Why not answer my question, rather than address something Icon introduced. See my post #28. Thanks
     
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    Jesus said that, if you love Him, you will keep His commandments (John 14:15), that except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven (Matthew 5:20) and Hebrews 12:14 says that, without holiness, no one will see the Lord.

    Without God's sanctifying grace, given by Christ's imparted righteousness, this righteousness wouldn't be possible.

    The doctrine of imparted righteousness is that Christ died to save people from sin rather than just to give them an excuse to continue in sin. This power over sin is freely given by Christ's sanctifying grace to those who trust in Him.
     
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    Why do modern-day Calvinists insist on breaking the the ninth commandment for any preacher or theologian who disagrees with their theology, by falsely accusing them of Pelagianism?
     
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    All Calvinists modern or otherwise know a gospel of works cannot save.
    When those you support offer those teachings they will be opposed up and down the line as the false teachers they are.
     
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    Whether you like it or not, Charles Finney was closer to what the Anabaptists actually taught, our forerunners in the Baptist faith, than what Calvinists taught:

    Does the Bible teach Original Sin?
     
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