Who is the real Charles Finney?

[Humble Disciple]

All Calvinists modern or otherwise know a gospel of works cannot save.
When those you support offer those teachings they will be opposed up and down the line as the false teachers they are.

Who said that salvation is by human works, rather than the work of Christ in us?

Preachers and theologians from various Protestant traditions (not only Wesleyan) use the term "imparted righteousness" to identify the righteous principle imparted by God to believers when He regenerates them. Believers thereby become "partakers of the divine nature" (cf. 2 Peter 1:4). It is this principle of righteousness imparted to men in regeneration which is ever in conflict with the old Adamic nature. Protestants, however, maintain the distinction between the "imputed righteousness" of Christ which is the basis for justification and the "imparted righteousness" which is the basis for subsequent sanctification.
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Do you have an actual quote from Charles Finney or is this more slander and libel?

Slander (from the American Heritage Dictionary):
Oral communication of false statements injurious to a person's reputation.
A false and malicious statement or report about a person.
Of Slander, and Libel

 

[kyredneck]

Why do modern-day Calvinists insist on breaking the the ninth commandment for any preacher or theologian who disagrees with their theology, by falsely accusing them of Pelagianism?

It's called an 'ad hominem attack', both sides routinely employ it when ever they're 'out of ammo'.

 

[Humble Disciple]

It's called an 'ad hominem attack', both sides routinely employ it when ever they're 'out of ammo'.

Someone as educated as John MacArthur should and does know better.

 

[MB]

The point is not that we are saved by good works. The point is that, according to Jesus, we only have the power to cast out demons if we are in Him. Satan cannot cast out Satan. Mark 9:38-39, Matthew 12:26

I have a lot of good reasons for not practicing Catholicism, but the idea that Catholics are unsaved simply for being Catholic isn't one of them
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I do not believe Catholic priest are saved. I do not believe that a demon has the power to take over a true Christian. You might be surprised what a non Christian can do with the power of the name of Jesus.

Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy by thy name, and by thy name cast out demons, and by thy name do many mighty works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

MB

 

[Humble Disciple]

Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy by thy name, and by thy name cast out demons, and by thy name do many mighty works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

If you look at that in context, it's people who are lying about their works, whose evil fruit reveal them to be false prophets, while claiming to be good:

Matthew 7
15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them. 21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

As Jesus Himself said, Satan cannot cast out Satan.

 

[Van]

Jesus said that, if you love Him, you will keep His commandments (John 14:15), that except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven (Matthew 5:20) and Hebrews 12:14 says that, without holiness, no one will see the Lord.

Without God's sanctifying grace, given by Christ's imparted righteousness, this righteousness wouldn't be possible.

The doctrine of imparted righteousness is that Christ died to save people from sin rather than just to give them an excuse to continue in sin. This power over sin is freely given by Christ's sanctifying grace to those who trust in Him.

Thanks for the effort HD. The issue was loss of righteousness, but somehow you managed to not address it. As far as "imparted" righteous (imputed righteousness under yet another name) there is no support in scripture. But the fact we are "made" righteous is in scripture. Go figure...

 

[MB]

If you look at that in context, it's people who are lying about their works, whose evil fruit reveal them to be false prophets, while claiming to be good:

Matthew 7
15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them. 21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

As Jesus Himself said, Satan cannot cast out Satan.

Where did Christ say they were liars? No where does this say they were liars regardless of context. No one who worships Mary or any other dead saint is Christian. All priest do this when they ask Mary to ask Jesus to do something. for them. There simply is nothing good in the RCC. Your defense of priest suggest your a Catholic. Priest have tried to force people to be Catholics. they have murdered other Christians for not being Catholic. The reputation of Catholic priest is not good by any means

You keep suggesting that Satan cannot cast out demons. Because someone is not saved does not mean they are Satan These men were trying to enter heaven by there works as I see it. Doing so with out the indwelling of Christ is impossible it was evil to even try such a thing. This is what Catholics do they try so hard to be Christian while worshiping Mary. This is impossible. The Christ they worship is still on the cross.It's called necromancy.
MB

 

[Yeshua1]

Who said that salvation is by human works, rather than the work of Christ in us?



Do you have an actual quote from Charles Finney or is this more slander and libel?

Do you now hold to a Catholic viewon salvation then?

 

[Humble Disciple]

Jesus promised that, if you truly followed Him, people would speak evil of you:

Matthew 5:11
Blessed are you when they shall insult you and shall persecute you, and lying shall say all kinds of evil against you on account of Me.

It shouldn't be surprising, then, that Calvinists continue to bear false witness regarding Finney's life and teachings, for converting more souls to lifelong, repentant believers than they do, but it's also a violation of God's command to not bear false witness:
Bearing False Witness is a Sin, A Warning of God's Judgment

Every time Calvinists smear Charles Finney, a man who gave up the pursuit of practicing law after having a profound experience of the Holy Spirit, who wouldn't even visit a town for revival until after it had been made ready with extensive prayer, they are setting themselves up for God's judgment.

Matthew 12:31-32
I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

It's blasphemy against the Holy Spirit to attribute the work of God to the work of Satan, just as the Pharisees did when Jesus cast out demons.

 

[Yeshua1]

Who said that salvation is by human works, rather than the work of Christ in us?



Do you have an actual quote from Charles Finney or is this more slander and libel?

What has to be added to the finished work of Christ while upon his Cross?

 

[Yeshua1]

Jesus promised that, if you truly followed Him, people would speak evil of you:

Matthew 5:11
Blessed are you when they shall insult you and shall persecute you, and lying shall say all kinds of evil against you on account of Me.

It shouldn't be surprising, then, that Calvinists continue to bear false witness regarding Finney's life and teachings, for converting more souls to lifelong, repentant believers than they do, but it's also a violation of God's command to not bear false witness:
Bearing False Witness is a Sin, A Warning of God's Judgment

Every time Calvinists smear Charles Finney, a man who gave up the pursuit of practicing law after having a profound experience of the Holy Spirit, who wouldn't even visit a town for revival until after it had been made ready with extensive prayer, they are setting themselves up for God's judgment.

Matthew 12:31-32
I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

It's blasphemy against the Holy Spirit to attribute the work of God to the work of Satan, just as the Pharisees did when Jesus cast out demons.

Charles Finney held to very erroneous doctrine in regards to Sotierology proper!

 

[Humble Disciple]

Just like revivals during Charles Finney's time, modern revivals as well have led to dramatic decreases in crime while they were being conducted:

There was a great deal of restitution going on during those days. The Chief of police in Saskatoon issued a report to the daily paper and said this, ’I am not a religious person but I do know the difference between ordinary church work and revival. Revival has come to our city because we are having people coming in to us confessing to crimes.’ The revival was marked with people making restitution with others or perhaps with Churches or other institutions. Conviction of sin was at times very very deep. One man told me the pressure of the Holy Spirit was so deep on his heart that he did not care of he lost his job, his family or even went to jail Any one of these things was possible in his case. We often saw people under such deep conviction of sin that they could not speak without bursting into tears. Ralph and Lou did a tremendous job of keeping the movement inside Bible guidelines. Occasionally some Mormon or Jehovah Witness would start giving a testimony of some sort and they would stop them. The testimony times were carefully guarded. The Suteras were very obviously walking closely to the Lord and were a very big help to me.
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The dichotomy between synergism and monergism is a modern invention, not found in the Bible.

While justification is indeed monergistic, sanctification is synergistic.

It's deceptive when Calvinists quote John Wesley and Charles Finney out of context, when speaking of sanctification, to paint them as Pelagian on justification.
Imparted Righteousness is not Works-Righteousness