Featured Millenium questions...

It has already been going on.

 

The Devil is not yet bound for the 1000 years.

 

If the gospel is going forth to the nation's satan is bound that was what he was being bound for so he could not deceive the nations anymore

 

Where is the world peace?
Matthew 24:6, ". . . And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. . . ."

Why this warning?
1 Peter 5:8, ". . . Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: . . ."

 

Nuts

 

salty, I think it's been going on since the Ascension as recorded in Daniel 7.
As the gospel of the Kingdom goes worldwide that the kingdom expands just like the parable of the mustard seed

 

yes....I believe the number is a symbol for the complete period of time.
The Lord owns the cattle on a thousand hills....like that usage.

 

mt 24 speaks of the end of the Jewish Theocracy in the first century.
Satan is not eliminated but bound from deceiving the nations now.rev20:3

 

Hey robycop 3. Can you show me from the verses you cited where it says that the reign for 1,000 years is on the earth? I do not read that there.

I do not deny the 1,000 years reign, only the location I differ with (it's gonna be in Heaven; 3rd).

 

So, is God faithful to a literal 1,000 generations as ascribed is Deuteronomy 7:9?

 

Robycop3. Could you look at my question again please?

"Hey robycop 3. Can you show me from the verses you cited where it says that the reign for 1,000 years is on the earth? I do not read that there."​

You cited Revelation 20, vss 4-6, did you not?

I then said in response:

"I do not deny the 1,000 years reign, only the location I differ with (it's gonna be in Heaven; 3rd)."​

I agree that the 1,000 year reign ("The event") "begins with Jesus' return". Yet, I do not read anywhere in Revelation 20:4-6, or in Revelation 20 at all, that the 1,000 year reign is on the earth Robycop3. Why then do you say that the 1,000 years reign is on the earth while citing Revelation 20:4-6?

Oh, I see, you need to turn to a differing text, than Revelation 20:4-6. Robycop3, while the verses you are referring to (namely Luke 24:50-53; Acts 1:9-11; Psalms 24:1-10, etc) do speak of Jesus' departure from this earth to the 3rd Heaven, none of those verses say that the 1,000 year reign will be upon the earth either. Can you show me in any of those verses, to which you are referring to, where the 1,000 year reign is upon the earth? I have never read that therein. Are you sure you do not have an incorrect assumption?

The best texts that I am aware of on the 2nd Advent (Coming) of Jesus is found in 1 Thessalonians and John 14:

Joh 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
Joh 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
Joh 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
Joh 14:4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.​

1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.​

However, in these texts we read some things which do not align with a 1,000 year reign upon the earth Robycop3.

In 1 Thessalonians 4:16, we read that "the Lord (Jesus JEHOVAH) himself shall descend from heaven", but nowhere does it say in that text that Jesus actually touches the earth, and instead says that Jesus is quite above the earth, being "in the air", to which the resurrected saints and saints translated are "caught up" (not down) to. We all then leave with Jesus and are brought back to the 3rd Heaven ("God (the Father) bring with him"; as Psalms 24 repeats (Ecclesiastes 1:9, 3:15, etc)), to the "place" prepared by Jesus in the Father's House (Isaiah 40:22).

The 1,000 year reign then, if we connect Revelation 20 to this verse, is found to take place in Heaven (3rd), not on the earth, which is left desolate and devastated for 1,000 years, under the curse of God and His wrath.

Jeremiah 4:23-28, 25:15-38;
Zephaniah 1:2-3,14-18;
Isaiah 2:6-22, 11:4, 24:1-6,17-22, 34:2-17.​

After the earth is hit with the 7 last plagues ,the wrath of God, and His fierce anger, and the massive earthquake and the tearing away of the first heaven [the atmosphere], and already having the other curses still upon it from the beginning [massive ocean, that vast water desert, from the global flood of Noah; ice poles, ice deserts/wastes, scorched earth, earthy and sandy deserts], this earth will have returned to a chaotic wilderness, filled with darkness, waters, earth and no life [except for Satan and his angels, the dragon and owls [unclean night birds of the air]], for 1,000 years, and after those "many days", then shall the wicked be visited in their prison, and the final resurrection of the wicked take place. It will in effect, have been brought back to its state/condition as seen in Genesis 1:2, during those 1,000 years, and thus the 'earth', is indeed the 'bottomless' 'pit', just as Isaiah (24) stated:

The location of this “reign” of Jesus and the saints, for “a thousand years” is never said to be on the plague wracked, utterly sin polluted and totally cursed and devastated “earth”, wherein even the upper heaven [atmosphere] is burned away by the second Advent [Genesis 3:17, 5:29, 8:21; Isaiah 34:4; 2 Peter 3:10-12; Revelation 6:14; 11:19, 15:1,6,8, 16:9,17-21, 18:4,8 21:9, 22:18]. So likewise for the passages of “Isaiah 2, 11, 65; Amos 9; Zechariah 14”. Read prayerfully and carefully for oneself. Where then is the “thousand year” reign of Jesus and the saints to be? It is to be in Heaven, the “third” [2 Corinthians 12:2].

 

I agree that in Zechariah 14 vs 4 Jesus touches the earth, but that is not the 2nd Advent (Coming), but the 3rd Advent (Coming) after the 1,000 years (after Armageddon's start), which then connects to the events of Revelation 20. Notice, that in Zechariah 14 and Revelation 20, New Jerusalem must come down to the earth, which never happens in the events of John 14 or 1 Thessalonians 4. We see the events of Armageddon (2nd Advent) begin in Zechariah 14 vs 2, and the proceeds to 1,000 years later (3rd Advent; Isaiah 24 with Revelation 20):

Isaiah 24 and Revelation 19-22 parallelism (short notes):

World Destroyed - Isaiah 24:1-20
High Ones on High - Isaiah 24:21
Kings of the Earth - Isaiah 24:21
Prisonsers in the Pit - Isaiah 24:22
Many Days - Isaiah 24:22
New Jeruslam/Zion - Isaiah 24:23
Reign Gloriously - Isaiah 24:23
Sun and Moon Ashamed - Isaiah 24:23
Remnant - Isaiah 4:3
Ancients - Isaiah 24:23

World Destroyed - Revelation 19:11-21; 16:18-21
Satan - Revelation 20:1-2
Kings - Revelation 19:19
Prison/Pit - Revelation 20:1-2
The Thousand Years - Revelation 20:1,2,3,4,5,6,7
New Jerusalem/Zion - Revelation 21:2
King of Kings - Revelation 19:11,16
No Need of Sun or Moon - Revelation 21:23
Remnant - Revelation 22:14
Heavenly Elders Council - Job 1-2; Revelation 4:4,10, 5:5,6,8,11,14, 7:11,13, 11:16,14:3, 19:4​

Isaiah 25 and Revelation 20-21:

Isa 25:8 He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it.

Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.​

Read the rest of the parallels.

It also parallels to Psalms 37.

Armageddon, the gathering to war against the Lamb (and his body) - Psalms 37:14,12,35

The Day of the LORD, the final thousand years, beginning, middle and ending - Psalms 37:13
Final Destruction of the Wicked - Psalms 37:1,2,9a,10,20,22b,28b,34b,36,38

Heavens & Earth Made New, saints reign upon the earth made new, forever - Psalms 37:3,9b,11,18,22a,28b,29,34a,37​

It is dealing with normal earth time between the 2nd (John 14:1-3; 1 Thessalonians 4:16, etc) and 3rd Advents (Zechariah 14:1~; Revelation 20:7-11~) of Jesus Christ, known as "the Day of the LORD" (Isaiah 2:12, 13:6,9, 34:8; Jeremiah 46:10; Lamentations 2:22; Ezekiel 13:5, 30:3; Joel 1:15, 2:1,11,31, 3:14; Amos 5:18,20; Obadiah 1:15; Zephaniah 1:7,8,14,18, 2:2,3; Zechariah 14:1; Malachi 4:5; Acts 2:20; 1 Corinthians 5:5; 2 Corinthians 1:14; 1 Thessalonians 5:2; 2 Peter 3:10 -- 2 Peter 3:10, tied in context to 2 Peter 3:8, which is citing Psalms 90:4) or "the last day" (John 6:39,40,44,54, 11:24, 12:48) throughout scripture, and ties into 2 Peter 3:8; Psalms 90:4; Hosea 6:2; Ecclesiastes 6:6; John 11:6.

Zec 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Zec 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
Zec 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

Rev 20:5 "But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. ..."

Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.​

Two Jerusalem's will face off against each other. Old (Mt. Moriah) and New (Mt. Olivet).

See Zechariah 14:12-13,21 in connection to Revelation 20:9-10,11-15.

Yes Robycop3, I agree with you that "At the millenium's end" (sic), that the "CAMP OF THE SAINTS" is found to have come down "ON THE EARTH" (sic), and that "Satan" does indeed "mobilize an army", for those persons will have then (at the end of the 1,000 years, Revelation 20:5a) been resurrected to be deceived by Satan to lead a final assault on the New Jerusalem that just came down upon the Mount of Olives. So, I fully agree, Jesus does indeed come back just as He left, but it takes place in two stages, even as Jesus left in two stages ([1] John 20:17 (antitype Moses); [2] Luke 24:50-53; Acts 1:9-11; Psalms 24:1-10; Psalms 68:18; Ephesians 4:8, etc (antitype Aaron)).

I would agree, and even go beyond that, by saying, it is simply common reading (by guidance of the Holy Ghost of course).

[1] The “thousand years” reign “in Heaven” [Psalms 50:5; Matthew 5:3,8,10,12, 6:20, 13:30, 24:31; Mark 10:21, 13:27; Luke 6:23, 18:22, 23:43; John 14:2-3, 17:24; Colossians 1:5; Hebrews 10:34; 1 Peter 1:4; Revelation 7:9, 14:3, 19:1 KJB; “Paradise”, Luke 23:43; 2 Corinthians 12:4; Revelation 2:7 KJB] with Christ Jesus [1 Thessalonians 4:16-17; Revelation 20:6 KJB] and

[2] The “reign on earth” [“made new”, not this sin polluted Earth; 2 Peter 3:13; Isaiah 65:17, 66:22; Revelation 21:1 KJB] that lasts “forever and ever” [Revelation 5:10 KJB; “meek inherit earth” [“made new”, not this sin polluted Earth], Psalms 37:9,11,34; Proverbs 11:31; Isaiah 25:8, 65:21; Daniel 7:27; Matthew 5:5; Revelation 5:10 KJB].​

The one is not the other. The first is a limited duration (1,000 years; see also Daniel 7:22d), and the latter eternal. The two locations are differing also, the first being in Heaven (3rd) with Jesus having been brought back to the Father's House as the bride, and the latter to have been given property by the Father to dwell with our Husband on the Earth made new, and having access to all the starry worlds on high in the Father's house being one again of the family.

What say you Robycop3 to what I just shared from scripture?

(ps Did you know that Peter S Ruckman teaches what you teach on this? I have his book right here. The WTS/JW teach a similar theology, I have their material here also.)