Featured Logic & Reason in the Face of Incomplete Knowledge

It we'll be before the second appearing of Christ, Luke 21:25-27. Revelation 6:12-17.

 

No, the 'cross reference' is found in the same chapter of Luke:

32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all things be accomplished. Lu 21

Now, that's 'clarity'.

 

Good description of Dispensationalism.

Exactly why I'm a Preterist.

 

No. The word of God does not conclude this. Galatians 6:16 makes a distinction between "them" and,the "Israel of God."

 

I agree. Once every person that is going to be saved, both Jew and Gentile, is saved, Christ will return to collect His bride.

peace to you

 

The signs of Revelation 6:12-17, Hebrews 9:28.

 

The passage you quoted does support my pint.

Gal 6:16 states “those that follow this rule…the Israel of God”.
What rule? v. 15 says circumcision means nothing. Uncircumcised means nothing. The only thing that matters is the “new man”.

Paul says in Ephesians that God has joined together Jew and Gentile into “one new man” by His work on the cross. They now both have access to Gods by the Spirit. This union of Jew and Gentile shall demonstrate Christ’s grace “in the ages to come”.

So yes, Galatians 6:15-16 does support my understanding of Romans 11:15 that the “Israel of God” is made up of both Jews and Gentiles that are saved by grace through faith in Christ.

peace to you

 

Wow. We are not agreeing on the word of God in Galatians 6:16. We can go no further, ". . . και οσοι τω κανονι τουτω στοιχησουσιν ειρηνη επ αυτους και ελεος και επι τον ισραηλ του θεου . . . .​

 

Let’s look at the passage and show me what I missed. Verse 15 defines the “rule” Paul mentions in verse 16.

There is no use throwing biblical Greek at me. It would take hours for me to translate what you wrote.

peace to you

 

"For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God. . . ." Two groups. The them [uncircumcised] and the Israel [circumcised] of God.

 

Ok, does “them” refer to those who are walking according to “this rule”. The rule being that circumcision and uncircumcision mean nothing. The only thing that matters is the “new creature “?

peace to you

 

Christians uncircumcised and circumcised being both gentiles and the Israel of God. The circumcision or uncircumcision not being what makes one a Christian.

 

I see the context in light of the only thing that matters is the “new man”. The “new man” is made up of Jews and Gentiles and together are the Israel of God.

Thanks for the conversation

peace to you

 

?? What you are saying makes no sense.

 

No, the Israel of God can only be Jewish circumcised Christians. Gentiles can be either uncircumcised or circumcised. And gentiles who are circumcised are not any of the recognized twelve tribes. Notice the tribes given for the 144,000.

Circumcision plays no role in being a Christian.

 

Who is the “new man”?

peace to you

 

I understand what you are saying and disagree. I do not believe the “Israel of God” refers to Jewish circumcised Christians. It makes no sense for Paul to say circumcision and uncircumcision mean nothing, and then in the next breath make a distinction between Christians who are circumcised and those that are not.

The “Israel of God” contains both Jew and Gentile, saved by grace through in Jesus. That makes sense to me.

peace to you

 

God made the distinction.
Genesis 17:13 and Leviticus 12:3. That part of the Law He first gave to Abraham. And God did not lie. That is why Paul explained what he did that it is distinct between Jew and non-Jew in being a Christian. Romans 1:16, Galatians 5:15-16. You can believe how you want. I think you should have a clear understand of what I think is the Biblical view.

 

I understand your view. I appreciate it. I just think you are wrong.

In Romans 9-11, Paul explains the children of Abraham are the children of the promise, not the flesh. They make up both Jew and gentile, saved by grace through faith.

In Ephesians, Paul is clear the two groups have been brought together as one “new man” by the cross of Christ. He uses similar language in the Galatians.

I appreciate the civil conversation. I hope we can continue to dialogue.

peace to you