What was it you said in post #32 in response to MB’s comment “No where in scripture is irresistible Grace even mentioned.”
Here it is
Not in such wording, however its Illustrated, for one Jn 6:44
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw G1670 him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
This drawing is irresistible. Your words BF52
The effectual call of grace 1 Pet 2:9
9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;
This call is effectual, irresistible , in that it calls a person out of darkness and into Gods marvellous light.
Its the call of grace as Paul experienced Gal 1:15
But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,
Its irresistible grace here Ps 110:3 again your words BF52
3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth.
What makes them willing but the power of Gods Grace
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Now you say I am being “dishonest by misrepresentation”. How is that, your the one that jumps to the conclusion that draw in Jn 6:44 in irresistible
This drawing is irresistible. Your words BF52
And you do this without any warrant to do so, it is just your theology that leads you there.
When I compare that to what Christ Jesus said in Joh 12:32 "And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw G1670 all men to Myself." What other conclusion can I come to. You are promoting universalism. That is unless your now saying that draw in Jn 6.44 is resistible in which case you would be right in line with all the following and with the bible.
Thayer Definition: G1670
1) to draw, drag off
2) metaphorically, to draw by inward power, lead, impel
Now to fully understand what he is saying we need to delve further and look at "impel".
Webster defines it this way: impel
To drive or urge forward; to press on; to excite to action or to move forward, by the application of physical force [which God does not use], or moral suasion or necessity.
Since God does not use physical force it leaves us with "moral suasion" which is the "act of persuading" or put another way "To influence by argument, advice, entreaty or expostulation [reasoning with a person in opposition to his conduct]; to draw or incline the will to a determination by presenting motives to the mind." see Eph_1:13
TDNT +
In the OT helkein draw {ABP+ G1670}denotes a powerful impulse, as in Son_1:4, which is obscure but expresses the force of love. This is the point in the two important passages in Joh_6:44; Joh_12:32. There is no thought here of force or magic. The term figuratively expresses the supernatural power of the love of God of Christ which goes out to all (Joh_12:32) but without which no one can come (Joh_6:44). The apparent contradiction shows that both the election and the universality of grace must be taken seriously; the compulsion is not automatic.
A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and other Early Christian Literature, says helkuo G1670 is used figuratively “of the pull on man’s inner life. . . . draw, attract J 6:44” [Bauer, Arndt, Gingrich, Danker, p. 251].
The Analytical Lexicon to the Greek New Testament, states that helkuo G1670 is used metaphorically “to draw mentally and morally, John 6:44; 12:32” [William Mounce, p. 180].
The Greek-English Lexicon to the New Testament has, “met., to draw G1670, i.e. to attract, Joh. xii. 32. Cf. Joh. vi. 44” [W.J. Hickie, p. 13].
The Analytical Lexicon of the Greek New Testament by Timothy Friberg, Barbara Friberg, and Neva F. Miller says, “figuratively, of a strong pull in the mental or moral life draw, attract (JN 6.44)” [p. 144].
Hebrew-Greek Key Study Bible by Calvinist Spiros Zodhiates, says, “Helkuo G1670 is used of Jesus on the cross drawing by His love, not force (Jn. 6:44; 12:32)” [New Testament Lexical Aids, p. 1831].
I could cite more reference works but it is unnecessary because not a single one of them defines draw as found in Joh_12:32 or Joh_6:44 as “compel or force.”
This gracious working of God does not compel or force anyone to believe but enables all to respond to God’s commands to turn away from sin in repentance, and towards the Savior Jesus Christ in faith.
Now you have to decide are you going to hold to your calvinist ideas or are you going to follow what the bible says. God wants all to come to a saving faith but will not force anyone to do so.
