Featured The Willingness of Men 2

Was Luke lying?

 

Are you saying that some men are by their own nature righteous and godly in God's eyes?
Silverhair, you need to accept what is actually being said, not what you want it to say.

 

Show me what I do not accept in the text. When Paul says "all" I believe him.

 

I would be more concerned about the fact you seem to be saying that Christ Jesus was lying.

Also as for Act 13:48 are those the same men, both Jews & Gentiles, that heard Paul speak about Christ Jesus and salvation thru faith in Him. Act 13:16-48 So were these men appointed to salvation or did they chose for themselves, well we have scholars on both sides of that view so no definitive answer. But what we do know for sure is that they heard the gospel and believed the gospel and they were saved.

Now isn't that what we see Paul saying is the way for people to come to salvation in Rom 10:14-15. And isn't that what we see Christ Jesus saying in Joh 3:14-18 and we know this is a universal call because He tells us it is Joh 12:32.
You keep saying that we should believe the bible and I fully agree. My question for you is why do you not believe what it says?

Austin I have no problem with a verse like
Rom 10:13 For "WHOEVER CALLS ON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED." because that is what I really believe and it is what I see in the biblical text. Whereas you have to modify the text to make it fit your theology by reading into the text a preconceived idea.

 

Paul never teaches free will. If you actually read the entire letter to the Romans, you see how chapter 1 fits with chapter 10 and you see that believing is not a free will act, but instead is a work of the Holy Spirit moving in a person so that they do believe. When we grasp this there is no need to dance around Acts 13:48 like you are doing.
God appoints people to salvation. "I will have mercy upon whom I have mercy..." Silverhair, you are rejecting the whole because you demand your philosophy be true.

 

This is ALL men...unless you believe there are some men who are self-righteous and holy before God while living unreconciled lives to Christ Jesus.

Are there other perfect humans, like Jesus, walking this earth?

Paul answers this in Romans 3:5-10.
But if our unrighteousnessserves to show the righteousness of God, what shall we say? That God is unrighteous to inflict wrath on us? (I speak in a human way.) By no means! For then how could God judge the world? But if through my lie God’s truth abounds to his glory, why am I still being condemned as a sinner? And why not do evil that good may come?—as some people slanderously charge us with saying. Their condemnation is just. What then? Are we Jews any better off? No, not at all. For we have already charged that all, both Jews and Greeks, are under sin, as it is written: “None is righteous, no, not one;

No matter how you attempt to slice it, Paul is declaring all to be unrighteous.

I ask you this: Why do you hate the idea that God is Lord over all things?

 

Notice what God tells you, which you seem to think is unbearable.

Romans 9:15-16 For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy.

 

Paul dos teach free will in Romans you just refuse to see it. You have swallowed hook line and sinker that calvinist line of theology and have disregarded what the text of scripture says.

Rom 10:13 for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."
Rom 10:14 How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher?
Rom 10:15 How will they preach unless they are sent?...

Now if you cannot see free will in this text then that means that God has only allowed a select number of people to be saved and that Austin means that all those that are not saved are not saved because He did not want to save them. So as I said before your theology requires that God condemn billions to hell because He did not select them.

And you are right your calvinist view is most assuredly blasphemous.

 

In a similar vain, Isaiah in Ch 1 vs. 3 "The Ox knows its owner And the donkey its master's voice But Israel does not know, My people do not consider."

Here God is pleading with Israel to come to Him, He refers to them as His people, then goes on to chastise them as a parent would discipline a child. Calvinists cannot imagine one that they think is elect not coming to God but they cannot see it the other way either, one of their elect turning away from God.

Man is always looking for a way to exercise power over others and looking for a way to have some skin in the game with respect to their salvation, man exercising power over God, and in that Calvinism does not disappoint. It makes the simple, complex.

 

My point is there is not an "elect" in the verse according to the YLT and Greens interlinear. "Sojourner" does not mean elect The word elect was added by the translators.
ME'TIC, n. [Gr. house.] In ancient Greece, a sojourner; a resident stranger in a Grecian city or place.
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There is nothing in Romans 10 that teaches free will.
You desperately want God to take the back seat while you declare yourself as choice maker, but Romans 10 never teaches free will.

 

My goodness, you want to ignore the whole of Romans. Look at you, desperate to change what Paul wrote.

Read Romans 9. The non-elect Esau is certainly in view. Remember that God chose Jacob and rejected Esau before they ever were born or could do right or wrong.

 

Well I suggest that you look a bit harder. I have a Green's Interlinear, and I can assure you that it's there.
It's in verse one.

 

He did say all, and if you chose to read the entire letter you would know what his full argument is. But...doing so would force you to admit you are wrong and that you never chose God. God chose you.