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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by AustinC, Sep 28, 2021.

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  1. ad finitum

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    God intended that they would seek Him and perhaps reach out for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us. Acts 17:27
    The whole chapter contradicts your claim. People did seek and they did find.

    Although God overlooked the ignorance of earlier times, He now commands all people everywhere to repent. Acts 17:30

    Are you suggesting that Paul (and thus the Holy Spirit) are lying??? Are you claiming that this verse isn't telling the truth because that's not how it works??? Would Paul relay God's commandment to all people everywhere to come to a change of mind if it were something that's actually impossible??? The rest of the chapter disproves that idea!!! LOOK:

    When they heard about the resurrection of the dead, some began to mock him, but others said, “We want to hear you again on this topic.” At that, Paul left the Areopagus. But some joined him and believed, including Dionysius the Areopagite, a woman named Damaris, and others who were with them. Acts 17:32-34

    This whole episode at Athens precisely and fully illustrates, "that they would seek Him and perhaps reach out for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us." Paul says this as it is actually happening!
     
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    I couldn't agree with you more. Being born again is so simple just read and believe the words of the Bible, accept it as truth, let the chips fall where they may with those who either don't believe the actual words of the Bible or believe just select passages. So many want to have it their way on their terms and will claim that simple faith in the risen Christ is not enough.
     
  3. SovereignGrace

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    And one person thinks this post is “funny”. O O Quite telling. O O
     
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    I do not do yes or no questions, which part of my answer was unclear to you?
    I am glad that you openly profess your need to trust the Lord Jesus for salvation.
    next you say;

    "having place my faith and trust in Christ Crucified"...
    Thomas, if it is a God-given saving faith, that you exercised af the time you were regenerated,as an instrumentality to lay hold of Christ that would be great.

    If you are stating the YOU HAD FAITH INSIDE YOU,AND YOU PLACED IT in Jesus....i would be sceptical as I would when A RC says they are saved because they have faith in their baptism and the Eucharist.

    Such a 'faith" could be a mere human trust, worked up in the flesh.
    Scripture speaks of many who..."believed in vain"
    1cor15:
    15 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

    2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you,
    unless ye have believed in vain.

    You asked me, that is how i think about it.
     
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  5. Iconoclast

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    "thomas15,

    Many believe being born again is a supernatural work of God. Not just a simple gaining of information.
     
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  6. AustinC

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    So you agree with me?

    Here are the two options:

    1) Abraham had his own personal faith that God considered righteous.

    2) Abraham had faith given to him by the grace of God, which God considered righteous.

    Which one is it, Van?
     
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  7. AustinC

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    I have no idea what the LBCF or the DoG is.

    All people, including you, need to do is read and observe the whole of scripture.

    Whenever you fall on Calvin, it is your strawman and a sure tell tale sign you have lost the debate.
     
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    Silverhair,

    [QUOTE]For Calvinism to work you have to believe that God has removed all your ability to move toward Him when you hear the gospel message or see the wonders of creation. [/QUOTE]

    No...a falsehood.

    [QUOTE]You have to hope that your one of the lucky chosen ones [/QUOTE]

    God does not use luck????This is total rubbish:Cautious


    Another foul blame God post.:Cautious These non elect have no sin that sends them to hell? Do you stay awake at night inventing these things:(


     
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    Now it is clear that you are being disingenuous when you say you do not know what the LBCF or DoG are.
    LBCF London Baptist Confession of Faith
    DoG Doctrines of Grace

    Those are the go to supports for your Calvinism.

    I do read and believe the whole of scripture but you seem to have a problem with any text that is presented to you if you cannot fit it into your theory of salvation.
     
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    Again, you are desperately trying to conjure up something not there and not taught by God. These verses are not supporting your supposition.
     
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    A perfect example of the strawmen you create for yourself. I am aware of the London Confession, but I have never read it in whole. I also have never read the doctrines of grace, unless you mean the Sola's.
    In any case, the doctrine I have is from reading the Bible, not from reading books written by various persons from the past. I know that blows your prejudice out of the water, which must be really hard for you to wrap your mind around.
     
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    No...a falsehood.

    [QUOTE]You have to hope that your one of the lucky chosen ones [/QUOTE]

    God does not use luck????This is total rubbish:Cautious



    Another foul blame God post.:Cautious These non elect have no sin that sends them to hell? Do you stay awake at night inventing these things:(
    [/QUOTE]

    Iconoclast you really have to start reading the post. It is not God that has to be lucky you calvinists have to be.

    What I am saying is based on you Doctrines of Grace and your calvinist idea of what God being sovereign means. Calvinists have decided to add their own meaning to words and change text in the bible so that it will fit your theology.

    Why do you not just trust what the bible says? When you do that then you will not be confused by some man make theology and end up following a different gospel as Paul warned. Gal 1:6-8

    Do you not even understand your own theology? If God picks out those that will be saved then what do you think happens to those He does not pick? Can they overrule God and be saved despite the fact He did not pick them? And since this all happened before creation then you cannot say it is because of their sin as none had been born yet. So yes your theology requires that God send billions to hell just because He wants to. That is the cold reality of your Calvinist theology like it or not.

    But what does the bible teach, well that man has a God given free will and has the ability to follow or reject Christ Jesus but you will not accept what the bible says because it does not fit your Calvinism.

    So please save your self-righteous anger for someone else.
     
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    In their schema, when all else fails play the victim card. In their view man is not the God hating rebel the Bible proclaims they are, but victims.
     
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    God does not use luck????This is total rubbish:Cautious



    Another foul blame God post.:Cautious These non elect have no sin that sends them to hell? Do you stay awake at night inventing these things:(
    [/QUOTE]

    Luck does not exist....God's purpose does exist.

    Calvinism is not a man-made system that sneaks up on scripture. It is what happens when men let the scripture unfold wjhat God has offered to us. There is no choice but to own scripture. Many have come to these truths in many different ways, even before they knew the terms and the people involved in church history.


    I do, that is why the label Calvinist fits what I see taught.

     
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    yes SG,
    They cannot see it yet, so they feel an all out attack mis warranted, but we know they oppose THEMSELVES.
    23 But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.

    24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,

    25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

    26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
     
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    Actually I do not have a prejudice regarding Calvinism. I just want people to have a biblical understanding of salvation. So we agree on another thing, the Sola's.

    Since you say that you do not know the LBCF or DoG it does make me reconsider how you came to the views you support. What was the thought process that took you down the path you follow, just curious but not expecting an answer.
     
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    Some day you will open your eyes and see just how horrific your theology is. But you will not see it because you do not want to look to deeply at it.
    When people that are not inside your theology can tell you more about it then you know then you should realize that you do not even understand your own theology. But then again perhaps your pride will not let you see the truth.
     
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    this is just bluster,no substance.
    You have no scriptural response
     
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    God has opened the eyes of his children so that his children know they were mercifully adopted and ransomed at a steep price, the death of God's only Son. We know that it is nothing that we did to deserve God's act of ransom for us in particular. We know this because the Bible clearly tells us.

    I am sorry if you do not yet see the debt you have to Christ alone.
     
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