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As I said, you have said the same old tired phrase time and again in multiple forums.

We say you are wrong and explain why in painstaking detail. But you are bull-headed and refuse to engage.

 

Everything AustinC said in his quote was accurate and true. Yet you call truth an absurdity. That's par for the course.

 

From what authority is this translation?

If it is your own work, then others have already stated it as faulty.

If it not your own work, then state specifically from what is the source.

 

Who ask the question concerning were Calvinism came from? I must have missed that post.

Who (other than you) acknowledged “men of the flesh” referred to any unregenerate as it concerns the passage in Corinthians?

 

Do you realize that since they were not unregenerate, your point is moot? The verse, therefore, is not making any point for you. Can you see and admit this?

 

Thank you! Van is attempting to make a correlation where there is none.

 

Sometimes people can be as confused and confusing as a termite in an old fashioned wood yo-yo.

I am assuming that the “interpretation” Van is using is from his own attempt, and that is why he is presenting a mistaken presentation.

 

" For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God." ( 1 Corinthians 1:18 ).

I'm sorry, Van,
but I see that God's word itself tells us right here, in the above, that the preaching of the cross ( the Gospel ) is foolishness to the lost ( them that perish ).

They cannot be reached with some spiritual things, no matter how "fundamental" they may be...
As even the preaching of Jesus Christ on the cross to atone for sins, is foolishness to them.
That's where the Gospel very nearly starts, and they cannot even get past that.

My own dear grandfather rejected it when it was presented to him on several occasions, and I later came to understand why...
Because to him, it was foolishness...and he ( in unspoken terms and probably to avoid offending me ) told me that it was.

Again, my friend, read what this states:

" Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.
15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ." ( 1 Corinthians 2:12-16 ).

 

Here's what I see when I look at the above:

12 We as believers have received the Spirit which is of God...
So that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

13 Which things Paul and Sosthenes were speaking...not in words which man's wisdom teaches, but which the Holy Ghost teaches...comparing spiritual things ( things of God's Spirit ) with spiritual.

14 But the natural man does not receive, or welcome, the things of God...
For they are foolishness to him, neither can he ( which means it's impossible for him to ) know them.

Why?

Because they are spiritually ( by the Spirit, or because of the indwelling of the Spirit, see verse 12 for the reason that the Spirit is given to believers ) discerned.
Therefore, the "natural man" here is not born again and indwelt by God's Spirit...
They are not believers in Christ Jesus.

What they do with spiritual things like God's words is to reject them out-of-hand as foolishness, and not as what we, as His people, know them to be...
The wisdom and power of God.

 

With their whole heart?

" For the wicked boasteth of his heart’s desire, and blesseth the covetous, [whom] the Lord abhorreth.
4 The wicked, through the pride of his countenance, will not seek [after God]: God [is] not in all his thoughts." ( Psalms 10:3-4 ).

" The fool hath said in his heart, [There is] no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, [there is] none that doeth good.
2 The Lord looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, [and] seek God.
3 They are all gone aside, they are [all] together become filthy: [there is] none that doeth good, no, not one." ( Psalms 14:1-3 ).

Yes, it does.
The remedy for this heart problem is described in Acts of the Apostles 16:14 and in other places like John 3:3-5.

 

I have tried on multiple occasions, not just in this thread --that 1 Cor. 1:18 ties in with 1 Cor. 2:14. But Van just doesn't get it. Or, it could be that he just doesn't want to acknowledge it because it harms his agenda.

Those who regard the preaching of the cross as foolishness have no spiritual understanding because they are not indwelt by the Holy Spirit. They are perishing.

 

"Jeroboam's" tweaking" of worship for the Northern tribes is still a common practice among those who don't want to "go to Jerusalem" to worship. Humans tell themselves that they are fine if they create their own narrative of the Bible. When that narrative is challenged they have pet names and labels to categorize the challenger. This makes it nearly impossible to change their narrative no matter how many facts are provided.

 

That's the difference between you and me, Van.
I mostly answer "no" to the ones that you answer "yes" to in the above, and vice-versa.

For example, in James 2:5, does God choose those who love Him?

Of course...right after He changes their hearts in order that they will believe His words and love Him...because He first loved them.
He chooses the poor of this world, so that they will be rich in faith and will be heirs of the kingdom that He has prepared for them from the foundation of the world ( Matthew 25:34, 2 Timothy 1:9 ), and they will glorify Him for His mercy and grace, forever.

God's grace through the new birth; Without it, no one would seek Him.