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Words have Meaning

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Van said:
Are you a false teacher who uses falsehood to defend false doctrine. Are you are so feeble mined you need to hurl false insults at others. What do the lexicons say as to the meaning of the Greek preposition "dia" whose instrumentality meaning is "by means of" or "by reason of" or "because of."

Dia Meaning in Bible - New Testament Greek Lexicon - New American Standard
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Um.... you do realize that the meaning of δια is different dependent on whether the object of the preposition (δια) is in the genitive or the accusative case, right??

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Van said:
This post is absurd, false and insulting.

1) Did anyone say the "primary" of dia is instrumentality? Nope so an effort to create a strawman to knock down. What a joke.
2) Did anyone say "dia" could only be used to show instrumentality? Nope, so yet another strawman.
3) Does someone claiming "dia" is not used to show instrumentality a liberal? You bet, as it is an effort to redefine the word and alter its meaning.
4) I quoted a lexicon, which reference George Winer, so I was not claiming anything about grammar.
5) I did not "limit the use of "dia"- but a liberal Calvinist did.
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You have been busted once again!:Cautious:Sick:oops:
How many times do we have to witness this spectacle?
SBG, is not a Calvinist so you cannot beat that dead horse:p
 
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Liberals attack truth by redefining the meaning of words. Many times in scripture the statement is made that salvation is "through faith." Often the Greek preposition "dia" which means "by means of" or "by reason of" when used to indicate instrumentality, is nullified by liberal rather than literal interpretation.

If individuals were chosen for salvation unconditionally, then salvation would not be "through faith."

Thus when you see "through faith" (or by faith) the liberals claim the meaning is by reason of the gifted and instilled faith due to election before creation via irresistible grace.

However that gross addition to scripture, based purely on the speculation of people, is not how scripture actually reads.

And this repeated rewriting of scripture violates at least two Baptist distinctives, in that the view does not adhere to a literal interpretation, and that individual soul liberty to believe or not in Christ is denied.

Here are some of the verses that liberals rewrite via interpretation:
Romans 3:25
Galatians 3:14
Galatians 3:26
Ephesians 2:8
Ephesians 3:12
Colossians 2:12
2 Timothy 3:15

In these verses the preposition (dia) is used to refer to the means or instrument by which the action is effected, thus in Romans 3:25, Christ is displayed as the means of reconciliation through faith. If a person's faith is not credited by God as righteousness, God will not utilize Christ as the means of their reconciliation. So simple a child can understand it.
 
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So the meaning of the words "through faith" is that our faith if credited by God, provides our access to God's saving grace. To claim we receive that grace, not through our credited faith, is wholesale rejection of God's word.
 
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Van said:
To claim we receive that grace, not through our credited faith, is wholesale rejection of God's word
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as a non-Calvinist, you have lost me! GRACE is GRACE, it is a FREE GIFT from God, and NOT because we have any Faith in Him!!! :eek:
 
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