The Particular work of God

[canadyjd]

???

What would be your guess of the % of humans ever created and or born of women, will be saved?
50 %
Less than 50 %
Over 50 %

I’d like a shot at this one. I won’t guess a percentage, but…..

I believe heaven will be filled with people conceived but never born and children born but then died in childhood. Relatively few people who have lived to adulthood will make it to heaven, since the overwhelming majority lived and died without hearing the gospel.

peace to you

 

[SavedByGrace]

Auto correct got me again.

Are you quoting the Living Bible with that quote? Or, are you making up your own interpretation?

Regardless, it’s not scripture and shouldn’t be presented as such. I’ll leave you to it.

peace to you

I know Hebrew, Greek and Latin, so can do my own translation. Either literal or paraphrase

 

[AustinC]

I know Hebrew, Greek and Latin, so can do my own translation. Either literal or paraphrase

This really means nothing regarding truth.
Knowing these languages can be beneficial, but many who have known these languages have also been godless haters of God's children. So, don't imagine that your knowledge of languages makes you somehow correct.
Charles Taze Russell knew Greek. Mormon scholars know Hebrew, Greek and Latin. They certainly don't speak truth.

 

[Dave G]

What would be your guess of the % of humans ever created and or born of women, will be saved?

.1%
That is, 1 in 1,000.

" Behold, this have I found, saith the preacher, [counting] one by one, to find out the account:
28 which yet my soul seeketh, but I find not: one man among a thousand have I found; but a woman among all those have I not found."

 

[percho]

I’d like a shot at this one. I won’t guess a percentage, but…..

I believe heaven will be filled with people conceived but never born and children born but then died in childhood. Relatively few people who have lived to adulthood will make it to heaven, since the overwhelming majority lived and died without hearing the gospel.

peace to you

I wonder how many got to go to heaven because we dropped two A bombs. A statement not a question.

 

[canadyjd]

I know Hebrew, Greek and Latin, so can do my own translation. Either literal or paraphrase

And yet, with all that knowledge , you can’t accurately translate a passage with putting your pre-conceived bias into it.

peace to you

 

[canadyjd]

I wonder how many got to go to heaven because we dropped two A bombs. A statement not a question.

No one gets into heaven “because” a bomb was dropped on them.

peace to you

 

[SavedByGrace]

And yet, with all that knowledge , you can’t accurately translate a passage with putting your pre-conceived bias into it.

peace to you

what I have written, is what the Bible teaches, unless you want to change the Word of God?

 

[canadyjd]

what I have written, is what the Bible teaches, unless you want to change the Word of God?

What you wrote is not what the passage says. You changed the Word of God by adding your words to God’s Words, and then claimed they are God’s words.

Very risky given that God warns against doing what you have done.

peace to you

 

[percho]

No one gets into heaven “because” a bomb was dropped on them.

peace to you

with people conceived but never born and children born but then died in childhood.

What does that have to do with being in heaven.

I believe if those are found in heaven it will be because they were born again.


I assumed you believed they were in heaven because they died (were killed by the bombs) before child birth or an age of accountability.

 

[canadyjd]

with people conceived but never born and children born but then died in childhood.

What does that have to do with being in heaven.

I believe if those are found in heaven it will be because they were born again.


I assumed you believed they were in heaven because they died (were killed by the bombs) before child birth or an age of accountability.

No, I don’t believe in an age of accountability. I do believe infants, young children that die go to heaven based on David’s comments concerning his son that had died.

I believe life begins at conception. That is a person in the womb. Medically, it is stated that over 90% of fertilized eggs never implant in the womb. They are flushed out. Historically, infant and child death rates have been very high, and continue to be in some countries.

Between the two groups, I believe heaven will be filled with far more people who never reached adulthood than who did.

peace to you

 

[AustinC]

what I have written, is what the Bible teaches, unless you want to change the Word of God?

You often change the word of God and replace it with your bias.
I agree that you often think you speak as an apostle who is inspired by God with your words.
Of course you are the only one who would think that. The rest of us can easily discern where you replace law and remove grace from salvation.

 

[George Antonios]

Notice God's purpose for angels in the particular redemption of humans.

Hebrews 1:14

New International Version
Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?

New Living Translation
Therefore, angels are only servants—spirits sent to care for people who will inherit salvation.

English Standard Version
Are they not all ministering spirits sent out to serve for the sake of those who are to inherit salvation?

Berean Study Bible
Are not the angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?

Berean Literal Bible
Are they not all ministering spirits, being sent forth for service for the sake of those being about to inherit salvation?

King James Bible
Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

New King James Version
Are they not all ministering spirits sent forth to minister for those who will inherit salvation?

New American Standard Bible
Are they not all ministering spirits, sent out to provide service for the sake of those who will inherit salvation?

heirs of salvation is not people who will be saved later, but people who are already saved but will be heirs of their present salvation later; i.e. when they get their inheritance (bc they're saved) in the millennial kingdom.

It is honestly saddening to see such basic Bible truths confounded.

 

[agedman]

KJV- Hebrews 1

14Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?
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Couple points.

First, this is a very accurate translation and leaves no possible position except the angels minister to those who will be believers as “heirs.” There is no conditional response by God to some human determination.

Two, the “heir” is the position of the one adopted. Such does not wait upon human action, but is already the establishment condition of all that the Father gives to the Son.

The whole of the chapter concerns the exalted Son of God in comparison to the ministering angels. Why anyone attempts to insert humans into this passage is just not rightly attending to the understanding of this passage.

Humans are not the focus of the chapter and only have a slight mention in the first three verses.

 

[SavedByGrace]

You often change the word of God and replace it with your bias

here is one for you. Acts 2:47 reads at the end, "ὁ δὲ κύριος προσετίθει τοὺς σῳζομένους καθ’ ἡμέραν ⸂ἐπὶ τὸ αὐτό". The King James Version, because of its reformed BIAS, translates as, "And the Lord added to the Church dayly such as should be saued" (1611). The CORRECT UNBIASED translation is, "And the Lord added to their number day by day those who were being saved". The KJV is WRONG in trying to say, that only some "should be saved". the Greek does NOT say this!

There you have it!

 

[AustinC]

here is one for you. Acts 2:47 reads at the end, "ὁ δὲ κύριος προσετίθει τοὺς σῳζομένους καθ’ ἡμέραν ⸂ἐπὶ τὸ αὐτό". The King James Version, because of its reformed BIAS, translates as, "And the Lord added to the Church dayly such as should be saued" (1611). The CORRECT UNBIASED translation is, "And the Lord added to their number day by day those who were being saved". The KJV is WRONG in trying to say, that only some "should be saved". the Greek does NOT say this!

There you have it!

I do like the ESV.
Acts 2:46-47
And day by day, attending the temple together and breaking bread in their homes, they received their food with glad and generous hearts, praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to their number day by day those who were being saved.

In any case, we see God's particular choice in adding people into the Kingdom.

 

[SavedByGrace]

I do like the ESV.
Acts 2:46-47
And day by day, attending the temple together and breaking bread in their homes, they received their food with glad and generous hearts, praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to their number day by day those who were being saved.

In any case, we see God's particular choice in adding people into the Kingdom.

not as the KJV. what it does say, is when sinners are saved, that they become part of the Church of God. Not, that God added only those who "should" be saved, as in the reformed bias! So my own translation is perfectly fine.

 

[SavedByGrace]

First, this is a very accurate translation and leaves no possible position except the angels minister to those who will be believers as “heirs.” There is no conditional response by God to some human determination.

so how do you suppose angels are involved in the salvation of anyone? how do they "minister"?

 

[agedman]

not as the KJV. what it does say, is when sinners are saved, that they become part of the Church of God. Not, that God added only those who "should" be saved, as in the reformed bias! So my own translation is perfectly fine.

Is a matter of “when” or is a matter of “who?”

Who did the adding and whom did He add?

Because the Lord did the adding, then He would only add those whom He saved.

No one was added to the Church by the Lord that were not saved by the Lord.

One cannot rightly separate salvation from repentance, rather consider that none are saved that are not in continuous repentance. One does not come before the other. One is not saved without “Godly sorrow,” however, repentance without Godly sorrow, is human emotionalism that does not come from a saved individual.

 

[agedman]

so how do you suppose angels are involved in the salvation of anyone? how do they "minister"?

Does not the Scripture make the meaning plain?

Christ is not an angel, but the Redeemer.

Angels are ministering to those of the redeemed.

I wonder if you are of the sort who limit the work of salvation to human time and calendar. If that is true then Gid is subject to time and conditions rather than the manipulator of human time and conditions.

If one will acknowledge that God is both all knowing and all powerful, then neither time or space nor even humans conform His decisions. Therefore, He already knows and has adopted as heirs the redeemed. The angels are sent at God’s purpose to minister as God chooses, not as humans conspire.

Too often folks present a limit to the attributes of God without realizing they do and place a binding upon Scripture in such a way that Gid is manipulated by humans and some perceived human impulse.