The Particular work of God

[SavedByGrace]

Does not the Scripture make the meaning plain?

Christ is not an angel, but the Redeemer.

Angels are ministering to those of the redeemed.

I wonder if you are of the sort who limit the work of salvation to human time and calendar. If that is true then Gid is subject to time and conditions rather than the manipulator of human time and conditions.

If one will acknowledge that God is both all knowing and all powerful, then neither time or space nor even humans conform His decisions. Therefore, He already knows and has adopted as heirs the redeemed. The angels are sent at God’s purpose to minister as God chooses, not as humans conspire.

Too often folks present a limit to the attributes of God without realizing they do and place a binding upon Scripture in such a way that Gid is manipulated by humans and some perceived human impulse.

this does not explain the involvement of created angels, in the salvation of human sinners?

 

[kyredneck]

I’d like a shot at this one. I won’t guess a percentage, but…..

I believe heaven will be filled with people conceived but never born and children born but then died in childhood. Relatively few people who have lived to adulthood will make it to heaven, since the overwhelming majority lived and died without hearing the gospel.

peace to you

Egad. That's horrific reasoning. Let's just abort them all so that heaven is assured to them all.

 

[kyredneck]

What would be your guess of the % of humans ever created and or born of women, will be saved?
50 %
Less than 50 %
Over 50 %

I believe things in heaven are mirrored on earth Matthew 18:18.

4 And his tail draweth the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon standeth before the woman that is about to be delivered, that when she is delivered he may devour her child. Rev 12

I think about a third part of mankind belong to the devil.

 

[AustinC]

I believe things in heaven are mirrored on earth Matthew 18:18.

4 And his tail draweth the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon standeth before the woman that is about to be delivered, that when she is delivered he may devour her child. Rev 12

I think about a third part of mankind belong to the devil.

This thread has nothing to do with such speculation on anyone's part.
The point of the thread is that God's purpose for his angels is twofold.
1) To worship Jesus
2) To serve humans who are particularly ordained to inherit the adoption as children of God.

What this means is that even humans not yet saved, on a timeline continuum, have angels designated to serve and protect them from the evil one.

What a blessed assurance to us all who presently live as exiles on this planet.

 

[canadyjd]

Egad. That's horrific reasoning. Let's just abort them all so that heaven is assured to them all.

That is horrific for you to say.

Mankind uses abortion for evil but God turns it to good by bringing those children into heaven rather than condemning them to hell.

You are saying we should do evil so that good may come. That is horrific.

peace to you

 

[kyredneck]

You are saying we should do evil so that good may come.

No, by your horrific reasoning aborting them would assure them of eternal life while letting them live the odds are overwhelming they're going to burn for infinity.

 

[canadyjd]

No, by your horrific reasoning aborting them would assure them of eternal life while letting them live the odds are overwhelming they're going to burn for infinity.

No, God brings to salvation everyone He choses and He choses the children to come to Him. That is 100% “odds” for those He has chosen.

peace to you

 

[kyredneck]

Relatively few people who have lived to adulthood will make it to heaven, since the overwhelming majority lived and died without hearing the gospel.

Your hardline restrictivism is horrific. The gospel brings life and immortality to light, it does not impart it. Christ abolished death, the gospel is the good news of it. 2 Timothy 1:10

 

[canadyjd]

Your hardline restrictivism is horrific. The gospel brings life and immortality to light, it does not impart it. Christ abolished death, the gospel is the good news of it. 2 Timothy 1:10

My “hardline restrictivism” believes all babies go to heaven because God has chosen them for salvation, even those killed by abortion.

Your beliefs cause you to state we should support abortion and kill all the babies so they go to heaven.

And then you call my beliefs “horrific”

Peace to you

 

[kyredneck]

Your beliefs cause you to state we should support abortion and kill all the babies so they go to heaven.

<sigh> It was sarcasm on my part. Of course I'm not advocating abortion. I assumed your IQ was high enough to pick up on it.

 

[canadyjd]

<sigh> It was sarcasm on my part. Of course I'm not advocating abortion. I assumed your IQ was high enough to pick up on it.

My IQ is just fine, thank you. Let me show you.

Jesus said men are defiled by what comes out of their mouths. You have defiled yourself by your comments. This is the truth.

Your hatred for the idea that God choses who will be saved caused you to make a comment that is pure evil.

In your mind, if God choses who will be saved and has chosen all babies and unborn children for salvation, it is better to kill them so they don’t grow up and become condemned for their sins.

That is what you said in post #46 and you were being truthful, not sarcastic, as to your opinion at the time. Now, you realize how horrific it sounds and try to play it off as sarcasm and question my IQ and ability to understand.

I understand you.

Peace to you

 

[percho]

Lo, in iniquity I have been brought forth, And in sin doth my mother conceive me. PS 51:5

In order to see, enter and or inherit the kingdom of God, at that very moment of being brought forth, is that one in need of being born again?

Is going to heaven equivalent to inheriting the kingdom of God?

For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, “Abba, Father.” The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him, that we may also be glorified together. Rom 8:15-17 NKJV

V 23 Not only that, but we also who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, <Heirs?) even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body. <Inheritors?)

Eph 1:13,14 NKJV In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, <Heirs?) who[fn] (which) is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, <Inheritors?) to the praise of His glory.

 

[percho]

<sigh> It was sarcasm on my part. Of course I'm not advocating abortion. I assumed your IQ was high enough to pick up on it.

Yep, just like I was advocating droppings A bombs to kill unborn and babies to save them. As Paul would say God forbid!

 

[kyredneck]

My IQ is just fine, thank you. Let me show you.

Then maybe it's lack of common sense that's the problem. Are you telling me that you seriously thought I was advocating for abortion?

Jesus said men are defiled by what comes out of their mouths. You have defiled yourself by your comments. This is the truth.

Tell me the truth oh purveyor of truth, did you seriously think I was advocating for abortion? I don't think you did, I think you just wanted some way to lash out and smear me.

In your mind, if God choses who will be saved and has chosen all babies and unborn children for salvation, it is better to kill them so they don’t grow up and become condemned for their sins.

You really have no idea what you're talking about and evidently have not been paying attention. I hold to the doctrines of sovereign grace. I'm probably 'hyper' compared to you. You're running your mouth and defiling yourself. Stop! Before it's too late!

That is what you said in post #46 and you were being truthful, not sarcastic, as to your opinion at the time.

Well, besides calling me a liar It appears you're representing yourself as a mind reader. It was 100% sarcasm in response to your horrific reasoning. Get over it.

 

[canadyjd]

….. Are you telling me that you seriously thought I was advocating for abortion?…..It was 100% sarcasm in response to your horrific reasoning. Get over it.

Your post #46 was clearly not sarcasm. Here is what you said.

No, by your horrific reasoning aborting them would assure them of eternal life while letting them live the odds are overwhelming they're going to burn for infinity.

I see no sarcasm. I see you making the connection that my “reasoning” that all babies go to heaven means that aborting them means eternal life, but letting them live means the odds are overwhelmingly against them for salvation and they would likely burn in hell.

You are advocating for doing evil that good may come, or at least accusing me of believing it.

That thought birthed in your heart, took form in your mind and made its way to your post. It is evil.

Thanks for the conversation

peace to you

 

[kyredneck]

I believe heaven will be filled with people conceived but never born and children born but then died in childhood. Relatively few people who have lived to adulthood will make it to heaven, since the overwhelming majority lived and died without hearing the gospel.

By your theology children go to heaven, adults go to hell. Egad.

 

[canadyjd]

By your theology children go to heaven, adults go to hell. Egad.

According to scripture, all people God has chosen will go to heaven.

I believe God has chosen all babies to go to heaven.

By your polluted reasoning, if it is true that God brings all babies to heaven, we should support abortion, kill the babies, so they go to heaven.

That is evil. You said it. You own it.

peace to you

 

[kyredneck]

By your polluted reasoning, if it is true that God brings all babies to heaven, we should support abortion, kill the babies, so they go to heaven.

By your polluted hardline restrictivism all who have not heard the gospel will burn in hell, never mind 'the Spirit where He willeth doth blow'.

Again, it was sarcasm on my part, and you're too dense or sanctimonious or something to get it, but if it makes you feel better smear away.

I do however hold to abortion, but never from the womb. The womb should be the safest place the kid will ever know. Wait until they get up eighteen or so and see if they're criminally minded, then abort them if need be.

 

[canadyjd]

By your polluted hardline restrictivism all who have not heard the gospel will burn in hell, never mind 'the Spirit where He willeth doth blow'…..

All God has chosen for salvation will hear the gospel and respond with saving faith.

Are you now saying the gospel is not necessary for salvation?

And you want to kill all adults who are “criminally minded”, according to your definition of “criminally minded”.

So, you want to support abortion and kill the babies so they go to heaven and then kill everyone over 18 that is “criminally minded”. Kill, kill, kill, kill. You have a lot of killing on your mind. This is evil.

Again, an evil thought birthed in your heart, formed in your mind and made it into your post.

Jesus said what comes out of a man’s mouth defiles him. You have, once again, defiled yourself.

peace to you

 

[kyredneck]

Like I said, smear away you sanctimonious little man.