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Spurgeon vs Hyper-Calvinism

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Yeshua1

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DaveXR650 said:
SavedByGrace. Modern Reformed Calvinists do not reject repentance as a work. And the sinner must actually repent. But Calvinists still say that repentance and faith are graces that are granted to us. They tend like Spurgeon to say salvation is all of God. And they would say that you need to repent if you don't want to perish. This thread is about differences between hyper Calvinism and Calvinism of a more moderate sort. You otta start a thread about covenant theology versus dispensationalism with kyredneck if you're not interested in Spurgeon versus hyperCalvinism.
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Hyper Calvinism sees the elect as eternally justified, so no real need to evangelize nor missions!
 
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Not able to be produced by spiritually dead sinners though!
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completely besides the point. Judas DID take the Bread and Wine, and Jesus also told HIM that His blood was to be shed for JUDAS! I know corrupt "reformed/calvinistic" theology does not allow this, but I am interested in what the BIBLE says, and not man-made nonsense!
 
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SavedByGrace said:
completely besides the point. Judas DID take the Bread and Wine, and Jesus also told HIM that His blood was to be shed for JUDAS! I know corrupt "reformed/calvinistic" theology does not allow this, but I am interested in what the BIBLE says, and not man-made nonsense!
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Jesus never died for Judas, as he stated woe to the one who betrayed Him, better to have never been born!
 
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Martin Marprelate said:
Two other points about Spurgeon's Bible-based opposition to Hyper-Calvinism.
The first was his belief in the absolute freedom and universality of the Gospel invitation: 'Sinners, let me address you with the words of life. Jesus wants nothing from you, nothing whatsoever; nothing done, nothing felt; he gives both work and feeling. Ragged, penniless, just as you are; lost, forsaken, desolate, with no good feelings and no good hopes, still Jesus comes to you, and in these words of pity he addresses you: "Him that cometh to Me I will in no wise cast out.'[MTP. vol. 30, pp. 54-5]

The second was his belief in human responsibility. Since the Fall, men have not lost their responsibility. but they have lost the ability, the will, to obey God. Spurgeon once declared, "I dread more than anything your being left to your own free will."
In an early sermon on 'Sovereign Grace and Man's Responsibility' he said, 'The system of truth is not one straight line, but two. No man will ever get a right view of the Gospel until he knows how to look at the two straight lines at once.....Now if I were to declare that man was so free to act that there is no presidence of God over his actions, I should be driven very close to atheism; and if, on the other hand, I declare that God so overrules all things, as that man is not free to be responsible, I am driven at once to Antinomianism or fatalism. That God predestines and that man is responsible, are two things that few can see. They are believed to be inconsistent and self-contradictory; but they are not. It is the fault of our weak judgment.....it is my folly that leads me to suppose that two truths can ever contradict each other.' [NPSP, vol.4, p.343]

All the quotations and much of the comment come from Murray's book.
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Are you directing these Spurgeon posts at anyone in particular, pardon me but it feels so? I myself, while not a Calvinist, am a Primitive Baptist who uses scripture to dictate my walk with the lord. Correct me if I’m wrong but you seem to have certain biases against it.
 
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Earth Wind and Fire said:
Are you directing these Spurgeon posts at anyone in particular, pardon me but it feels so? I myself, while not a Calvinist, am a Primitive Baptist who uses scripture to dictate my walk with the lord. Correct me if I’m wrong but you seem to have certain biases against it.
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Nope. As a Brit, I am not familiar with all the strands of American Baptists, but I am certainly not opposed to people using Scripture to dictate their walk with the Lord.
There have been some posts made that appear to suggest that people in general should not be called upon to repent and trust in Christ. If you have made a post along those lines I haven't noticed, but if the cap fits.......
 
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Martin Marprelate said:
Nope. As a Brit, I am not familiar with all the strands of American Baptists, but I am certainly not opposed to people using Scripture to dictate their walk with the Lord.
There have been some posts made that appear to suggest that people in general should not be called upon to repent and trust in Christ. If you have made a post along those lines I haven't noticed, but if the cap fits.......
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The lid doesn’t fit.
 
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Earth Wind and Fire said:
Define reformed… I didn’t come from Catholics and Anglicans like most of you Brits did. That would mean you lot got your foundational theology from the Roman Catholics and Henry Tutor just copied it into the Catholic Anglican Church.
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you said:

Are you directing these Spurgeon posts at anyone in particular, pardon me but it feels so? I myself, while not a Calvinist, am a Primitive Baptist who uses scripture to dictate my walk with the lord. Correct me if I’m wrong but you seem to have certain biases against it

Just as bad, or worse than the "reformed/calvinist".

you could well be of English heritage! :D
 
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SavedByGrace said:
you said:

Are you directing these Spurgeon posts at anyone in particular, pardon me but it feels so? I myself, while not a Calvinist, am a Primitive Baptist who uses scripture to dictate my walk with the lord. Correct me if I’m wrong but you seem to have certain biases against it

Just as bad, or worse than the "reformed/calvinist".

you could well be of English heritage! :D
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Welsh… we hate the english
 
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