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Each Eschatological view.

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  1. 37818

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    Each eschatolotical view has key passages of Scripture which they rely upon. But only the one correct view is suppored by every eschalogical statment in Scripture.
    There are not a few one reference teachings on the topic.
    Revelation 20:4-6.
    Acts of the Apostles 1:11.
    Hebrews 9:28.
    And more.
     
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    Jesus refuted all but Amillennialism in the gospels. But only the born again can see the Kingdom so this presents a problem.
     
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    you keep saying this ... and I agree without the Holy Spirit's guidance, the spiritually appraised.

    But your context seems to be the "Men in Black" deal about "the galaxy"

    which turns out to be a necklace charm.
     
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    So, are you saying if a person does not see matters the way you do, they are not born again?
     
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    It's what Jesus taught. Have you ever studied his gospel of the Kingdom? You should.
     
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    No! I was deceived by Dispensationalism for many years yet saved.
     
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    Shazam

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    Never even heared of that

    shazam!

    Course. I never heard Jesus be snide and condescending either.

    i really gotta get out more I reckon.
    Thanks bro!
     
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    Neither do denomination (no offence to churches)... Its Divinity from Infinity... That SAVES a Man!... Brother Glen:)
     
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    Yes each of the five major views can been seen in scripture. Therefore I do not disparage any of them. If I am wrong with how I personally see it, that will be fine (after all I would be able to change my mind mid-air right).
     
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    Why would you change your mind in mid-air?... You won't need to!... Brother Glen:)

    1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
     
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    I won’t need to either!!!!!!:D:)l
     
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    Right now... I don't change my mind either... I have a wife that changes it for me... Brother Glen:eek:

    :oops:... There I go off topic again... Oh well!
     
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    How can anyone reject Christ's gospel of the Kingdom? And side with the Pharisees instead?
     
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    Study Jesus' gospel of the kingdom in the gospels. It leaves room for no other view.
     
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    The Gospel of the Kingdom according to Jesus. It leaves no room for any of the other views.

    The Millennium is a Pharisee Doctrine. Jesus taught a much different view of the Kingdom. Please consider the spiritual nature of the Kingdom. Are you rejecting the gospel of the Kingdom in favor of the Pharisees?

    Also note, the Kingdom of God and the Kingdom of Heaven are the same. “the kingdom of Heaven is at hand” (Matt. 4:17) = “the kingdom of God is at hand” (Mark 1:15)

    “Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of Heaven” (Matt. 5:3) = “Blessed are the poor, for yours is the kingdom of God” (Luke 6:20)

    “Among those born of women there has not risen a greater than John the Baptist, notwithstanding he who is least in the kingdom of Heaven is greater than him.” (Matt. 11:11) = “Among those born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist, but he who is least in the kingdom of God is greater than him.” (Luke 7:28)

    “the mysteries of the kingdom of Heaven” (Matt. 13:11) = “the mysteries of the kingdom of God” (Mark 4:11 cp. Luke 8:10)

    “the kingdom of Heaven is like a grain of mustard seed” (Matt 13:31) = “the kingdom of God...is like a grain of mustard seed” (Mark 4:30-31 cp. Luke 13:18-19)

    “The kingdom of Heaven is like leaven” (Matt. 13:33) = “the kingdom of God...is like leaven” (Luke 13:20)

    “Except you be converted, and become as little children, you shall not enter into the kingdom of Heaven” (Matt. 18:3-4) = “Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein” (Mark 10:15)

    “Allow little children, and do not forbid them to come to me, for of such is the kingdom of Heaven.” (Matt. 19:14) = “Allow the little children to come to me, and do not forbid them, for of such is the kingdom of God.” (Mark 10:14 cp. Luke 18:16)

    “a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of Heaven” (Matt. 19:23) = “How hardly shall they who have riches enter into the kingdom of God!” (Luke 18:24)

    In other words, “kingdom of God” = “kingdom of Heaven.”


    The gospel of the kingdom


    Daniel said; “And in the days of these kings [Old Roman Empire] shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.” Daniel 2:44 (NCPB)

    “And [Jesus] saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.” (Matthew 3:2) (KJV 1900)

    “And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.” (Matthew 11:12) (KJV 1900)

    “Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.” (Matthew 16:28) (KJV 1900)

    “Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.” (1 Corinthians 15:50)

    “Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” (John 3:3) (KJV 1900)

    “Jesus answered, “I tell you the solemn truth, unless a person is born of water and spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.” (John 3:5)

    “Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.” (John 18:36) (KJV 1900)

    “And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:” (Luke 17:20) (KJV 1900)

    “Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.” (Luke 17:21) (KJV 1900)

    “But if I cast out demons by the finger of God, then the kingdom of God has already overtaken you.” (Luke 11:20)

    “The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.” Luke 16:16 (KJV 1900)

    “because we are not looking at what can be seen but at what cannot be seen. For what can be seen is temporary, but what cannot be seen is eternal.” (2 Corinthians 4:18)

    “Now when the people saw the miraculous sign that Jesus performed, they began to say to one another, “This is certainly the Prophet who is to come into the world.” Then Jesus, because he knew they were going to come and seize him by force to make him king, withdrew again up the mountainside alone.” (John 6:14–15)

    “He delivered us from the power of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of the Son he loves,” (Colossians 1:13)

    “When Jesus saw that he answered intelligently, He said to him, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.” And no one dared to question Him any longer.” (Mark 12:34) (HCSB)

    “for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit.” (Romans 14:17) (HCSB)

    “I, John, your brother and fellow partaker in the tribulation and kingdom and perseverance which are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus.” Revelation 1:9 (NASB95)

    “But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.” Acts 8:12 (KJV 1900)

    “That ye would walk worthy of God, who hath called you unto his kingdom and glory.” 1 Thessalonians 2:12 (KJV 1900)

    “And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God.” Acts 19:8 (KJV 1900)

    “And when thy days [David] be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.” 2 Samuel 7:12–13 (KJV 1900)

    “who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son,” Colossians 1:13 (NCPB)

    “For the kingdom is the LORD’s: and he is the governor among the nations.” Psalm 22:28 (NCPB)

    “Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:” 2 Thessalonians 1:5 (KJV 1900)
     
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    Rolls eyes

    U might consider how high of a horse you have mounted there partner.

    or not.
     
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    Anyone who agrees with Jesus is on a high horse, like it or not.
     
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    As far as I know, the different views are Amillennialism, Historical Pre-millennialism, Post-millennialism, and Dispensational Pre-millennialism. In addition to those, we have Partial Preterism and Full Preterism. Obviously, only one view can be correct, as these views contradict each other.

    I've discussed eschatology with people holding each of these views, and every one of them bases his/her view on Scripture. It is strange that we can have such a wide variety of interpretations on this subject, especially if we are truly guided by the Holy Spirit. All I can say for sure is that I am fully convinced of the view that I hold. I don't have the right to question whether the Holy Spirit is guiding those who hold a different view. One of my favorite quotes is "The Scriptures are inspired, but our interpretations of Scripture are not."
     
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    Why the 1000 years in Revelation 20 are not the "millennium".
    You are making a huge mistake if you assume John is referring to the Pharisees Pre-Millennialism just because he mentions 1000 Years.

    He is not. 1000 means "a lot" "many" if you are familiar with the OT usage. Samson slew 1000 Philistines. God owns the cattle on 1000 hills, etc.

    Scripture never mentions a millennium so you are adding to God's word when you say John refers to the Pharisee's teaching Jesus refuted in the gospels.

    Jesus reduced Millennialism to rubble in the gospels if you care to make a study of the gospel of the Kingdom and its attributes.

    Don't assume just because John mentions 1000 years, he is referring to the Premillinailism invented by the Pharisees. Anything you cannot prove from scripture should not find its way into Revelation.
     
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    While I completely agree that the 1,000 years are not literal, but symbolic, I'm not quite sure about your "Pharisee" reference. I thought the millennial view (especially Dispensationalism) was introduced around 1830 by John Darby of the Plymouth Brethren. Please elaborate.
     
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