Featured When is/was/will the 1st seal be opened?

I think we need to be careful in laying in the "not appointed to wrath" of 1 Thess 5 as being exclusively God's wrath. Is there no other source of wrath?

Where were the Hebrews when the plagues were upon Egypt? Were they not in Egypt?

Thousands have been murdered for being Jesus' disciples in the last decade.

I think we are at the 6th seal ... the 7th will be opened at the End of the Tribulation.

NASA ... spaceweather.com ... has information about "Near Earth Objects" ... asteroids passing close to earth. These things have been increasing the last 10 years/so ... and particularly since 2019 ... (like a covid case number graph following another edict by Fauci!). An analysis was made that these things resemble a wave of water ahead of a boat passing through.

That part caught my attention ... could The Morning Star be behind these things increasing their number? Could these NEOs be another in the array of events/things for us to take notice ... in order to recognize "what time is it???"

I think we've made the first 1/2 of the Tribulation to be something vial and excruciating ... as the last 3.5. It's the last 3.5 Jesus said would be the worst ever and ever will be. The first 3.5 is the setup. I think we will soon have the hindsight to recognize we're already IN the tribulation. 15 Sep 20 ... the Abraham Accords. Kushner was just in the news again with another advance of this agreement.

I expect the Jews will resume the regular sacrifice before Rosh Hashanah '22 (25 Sept)

 

my point is (sorry for failure to include) ... not appointed to God's wrath. The Liar has been after the Church since day one and will continue to do so until he is bound again.

I've departed from the idea of a pre-trib rapture because of the example of the Exodus ... the parable of the Wheat & Tares ... and seeing that those taken FIRST are NOT the followers of Jesus Christ.

I think the World Wars were those ... in WWII with the allocation of foodstuffs ... it wasn't just in these United States, either.

not a thing of which I'm yet aware ... just a follow-on to evidences we can see/detect.

because I don't know that these NEOs are as I've pondered. Going about occupying until He comes being occupied with the work He's giving me ... but also ... looking up every now and again. When I looked up a few months ago, I noticed the NEOs. I didn't even know there was a name for these events until then.

Noted. As I said, though, the only period which is apocalyptic is the last 3.5. The first 3.5 is used to create the one world govt, currency, and religion.

Indeed ... I could be all wet, but such is why I stated it's my expectation. I've not declared being a prophet. I know the Temple Institute has located and secured it's 7 red heifers at least two of 'em need to be weaned ... so sometime early next year they'll all be there. A Temple Institute rabbi has acquired the western side of the Mount of Olives where the red heifer sacrifices were made.

This property acquisition happened only this year.

The nascent Sanhedrin blew the shofar on Temple Mount during Rosh Hashanah this year for the first time since 70 AD. A deal with the Waqf (sp?) ... the Jews allowed them to bury an imam in that cemetery outside the east gate. (not on Temple Mount)

Stuff is happening over there in Jerusalem which hasn't happened in this same period of nearly 2000 years.

I fully admit I'll have plenty of which can be told "I didn't expect THAT!" and perhaps the expectation I have isn't accurate; more want to than discerned revelation from scripture and recognizing what is happening in our world at this time ...

but ... it's what has brought me to this board in an internet search about a documentary on Daniel. Daniel, Ezekiel, Isaiah, Amos, Hosea, Revelation ... seeking to understand ... "what time is it?"

 

Scripture does not support the "rapture theory" So you need a different starting point. If you look for what the symbols of Revelation represent, instead of looking for the symbols to happen, you can see the seals, vials, and trumpets are the same happenings. And they have been going on all along since and before John wrote the Revelation.

 

Noah? I could be wrong, but Noah died. Enoch and Elijah haven't yet.

When we are taken (the church, that is) ... that's it. the "tribulation saints" are gleaned because of the work through the pre-trib saints who are still in their corruptible bodies (and that's all who weren't called home individually)

The plagues on Egypt ... being a "type/shadow" of the seals of that period called "Jacob's Troubles" ... the last part of the Tribulation also called The Great Tribulation. God's enemies were not destroyed in Egypt until the Hebrews were removed first ... and effectively immediately prior to the Egyptians' destruction were the Hebrews removed (e.g. raptured)

I understand this will be a similar chronology ... though I doubt there will be the weeks it took the Hebrews to leave Goshen and to actually cross the Red Sea.

Perhaps ... but that level of poverty has been seen around the world.

I agree. I'm simply suggesting these things we can now detect/track (which those in Daniel's day, for example, couldn't) are created by God and have a purpose. Could it be their purpose is that of an alarm clock?

I may have been unclear ... I'm not saying the one world govt/finance/religion will take 3.5 years to be manifest ... I'm saying they will be manifest DURING that 3.5 years. I think it will "come to pass" pretty quickly. We've been getting hints on it for some time, now. Who had heard of the WEF before covid? I hadn't.

yessir ... and the time is just about right. The cake is just about ready to be pulled from the oven.

thumbs up.

I'm no Jewish wedding scholar, but my understanding is the virgins knew the night, they didn't know the moment. You're right, methinks, for individuals we can die at any unforeseen moment.

Jesus COULD have been born at any time prior to His being born; but He wasn't. He was born PRECISELY as it was foretold. Similarly, Jesus COULD Return at any moment, but He won't ... there is prophesy about the timeline we are learning "at the end game." Just as we were told would be. Not the day nor the hour ... but refer to the 4 verses prior to that passage. The season. I think that is literally a specific 3 month window at some point in the future but prior to the start of that 3 month window. I think we've already been given the 12 month window; Rosh Hashanah '26 to RH '27 ... just as the first gen church knew to vacate Jerusalem by 70AD from Jesus' own words during His last departure from the Temple ... in 30AD.

We won't need to "vacate" anything ... no hiding ... no cowering ... but being prepared to receive the Holy Spirit in a much more grandiose way ... preparing the way of the Lord as the Jews thought Messiah would arrive the first time. That "way preparing" is immanent.

 

1 Thess 4:16-17

what is that?

Or do you define the "rapture theory" as something different from everyone else?

 

It's based on the oldest commentary on Revelation ever found. If you learn that viewpoint Revelation will make more sense. It's called the "Recapitulation View".

 

Matthew 6
34Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.

Of course since Jesus said it, could he really be trusted ? shouldn't we look for a loophole elsewhere?

 

The really big problem with your plan is that Christ abolished circumcision on the cross. Circumcision, not blood, made one a physical Jew or physical member of Israel. Today's State of Israel or the Jews are not Biblical Israel or biblical Jews.

 

It's a false doctrine that even those who teach it say they cannot prove.

 

...how many times over the centuries has this been said?