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Discussion in 'News & Current Events' started by Aaron, Dec 10, 2021.

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  1. JonC

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    To be fair, TTS was a known possible side-effect and the risk is not outside what was expected. It just seems that for those who want a vaccination there are better options. The risks are low with the mRNA vaccines, but the risks are there. But the effectiveness of the Jansen vaccine was always too low to assume the risk.
     
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    That’s the risk assessment of all of ‘em ... for a mass vax campaign. I think you’re correct on the hierarchy for those who are susceptible to consider.

    Healthy folks don’t need any of these cv vaxes. They need swift/early treatment if infected. That is what would have, does, and saves the most lives.
     
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    I'm healthy, but I prefer not to get infected and just to avoid the need for swift/ early treatment all together.

    Covid has been a bit odd. We had a couple of healthy police officers in their 30's die of covid. But a friend in his 90's recovered after a few weeks.
     
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    To each their own ... I just oppose this incessant push for everyone to “get the shot.” It’s not necessary.
     
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    Kinda speaks directly to the “non compliant” video on the other thread. Who’s in charge of (your) liberty?
     
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    Depends on how you define "liberty" (secular or Christian).

    The video makes one major error. It assumes most who have been vaccinated did so as a forfeiture of liberty rather than an exercise of liberty.

    Another issue is seeking out liberties that do not currently exist at the expense of individual liberties (of others) that do exist.
     
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    I have not seen this push, but I don't watch the news.

    As far as recommending and encouraging vaccines, that is fair game. Always has been.
     
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    That is because you apparently dont want to accept the surreal measures taken to get everyone jabbed. From silly promotional videos to ludicrous incentives… to threats … to unconstitutional mandates.
     
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    No. I think it is more our positions shape how we see the world around us.

    I believe covid is a danger that can easily be mitigated by an effective vaccine. The responsible thing to do is to advocate a vaccine, encourage people to be vaccinated, and educate people on the need for vaccination.

    You believe covid does not present enough of a danger for preemptive treatment (that the best route is to provide treatment if infective as the percentages of serious infection is low compared to the population). You believe the vacvines are an unnecessary risk and are ineffective.

    So you see encouraging vaccination as pushing to get everyone vaccinated based on a false narrative while I see the anti-covid-vaxers as pushing to misinformation to advocate a political agenda.

    I belueve we both believe people should be provided accurate information and permitted to make an informed decision. But we disagree on exactly what is accurate information.
     
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    offering guns trucks and lap dances as incentives is over the top

    threatening to lose career jobs

    unconstitutional mandates

    is NOT encouraging
     
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    And threatening nurses, blocking vaccination centers, and harassing people who choose to get vaccinated is just as bad. There are bad players on all sides.

    I disagree that the federal government should mandate non-federal businesses to vaccinate or test for covid.

    At the same time, I cannot support stripping rights emoyeers have traditionally had in our nation to offer new rights to employees or candidates. I am no longer a Republican (I don't vote at all) but I remain a Constitutionalist at heart.
     
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    There is no moral equivalence

    you want everyone cv vaxed and therefore excuse the demand.

    which came first Jon … ?

    supporting corporation mandates is the same as the govt. For they are one/same. We have begged for that as a society and now we have it.

    all the while the individual is sacrificed on the altar of “greater good”

    smell the coffee Jon. This is about power and control not healthcare.
     
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    @JonC , LOL. Hope the rest of the moderators/admin can see that it's not just me. You really are a Leftist. I think I was the first to call you out on that, and to call you a gaslighter.
     
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    I have no idea what you are saying. Are you calling me a “leftest”? JonC?

    peace to you
     
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    Sorry. My reply to your post is addressed to Jon.
     
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    We all make mistakes sometimes???!!!:D;):Laugh
     
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    Thanks for clarifying

    peace to you
     
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    Oh, now that’s funny. If only Fauci’s face could be put in the doc. LOL

    peace to you
     
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    Your practice of making everything political is a part of the problem.

    What I have said has nothing to do with leftist ideologies.

    I said I believe:

    1. The vaccines are effective.

    2. People should have the right to choose to take or reject a vaccine.

    3. Men should maintain the right to make decisions concerning businesses they own.

    4. Biden's executive order that private businesses require a vaccine or test is government overreach.

    5. Biden's executive order that federal contract companies require a vacvine is government overreach.


    The reason you believe the above is Leftist is because you are a socialist in sheep's clothing. You hold a progressive view of the US Constitution.

    The problem with bending the Constitution to your political agenda is it renders the document meaningless as others can then bend it to their agendas.
     
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