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so you were SAVED before you REPENTED and BELIEVED? This, my friend, is IMPOSSIBLE! or else Jesus Christ is wrong! He is very clear in Mark 1:15; Luke 13:1-5; 24:47 (ESV, NASB, NIV, AB, CSB, NET, etc); and Peter Acts 2:37-38, etc. I think NOT!

 

Matthew 19:24-26

Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God.” When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished, saying, “Who then can be saved?” But Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

It's very clear that you have misunderstood Jesus.

 

you always AVOID what verses are given, and try to quote from other places, that have ZERO to do with what I have said!

Now simply answer the verses that I have given

 

First verse: Not a verse about eternal life. It is a verse about the Mosaic Covenant and the Kingdom being restored to Israel if they repent.

Mark 1:14-15
Now after John was arrested, Jesus came into Galilee, proclaiming the gospel of God, and saying, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel.”

Also, the verses below are not eternal salvation verses. They are, like Mark 1, about Israel and repentance to establish Mosaic Covenant relationship.
(sbg, you really don't understand God as a covenant making God with a covenant people.)
Luke 13:1-5
There were some present at that very time who told him about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices. And he answered them, “Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans, because they suffered in this way? No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish. Or those eighteen on whom the tower in Siloam fell and killed them: do you think that they were worse offenders than all the others who lived in Jerusalem? No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.”

I am sure you will now react with some big bold letters declaring myself and all others to be wrong and only you to be correct.

 

In the first place, there is zero NT evidence that says that the Gospel that was preached to the Jews under the Old Covenant, that included "repentance and faith", together, was changed when it was offered to the Gentiles.

In the second place, Jesus commanded at the close of His earthly Ministry, that, " and that repentance for forgiveness of sins would be proclaimed in His name to all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem" (Luke 24:47). This is under the New Covenant, as Jesus had already Risen.

In the third place, on the Day of Pentecost, which is the New Covenant, Peter speaking by the authority of the Holy Spirit, is clear when those who were "convicted" by his Message, and asked, "what must we DO", to which Peter replies, "REPENT...FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF YOUR SINS". Showing that REPENTANCE is not simply a change of mind towards God and Jesus Christ, but also includes personal sins.

Peter here says what Jesus does in Luke 24:47. Are you saying that Jesus and Peter are both wrong, and your theology is right?

In the fourth place, in 2 Corinthians 7:10, in regard to salvation, Paul says;

"For godly sorrow produces repentance leading to salvation, not to be regretted; but the sorrow of the world produces death"

Is Paul wrong here to say that the sinner must have "godly sorrow that produces repentance leading to salvation"?

Notice the order here. 1. godly sorrow; 2. produces repentance; 2. that leads to salvation. It is very clear, that true repentance is essential BEFORE a sinner can be saved.

This is what the Bible says.

 

The other thread was closed before I could respond, but no matter, in no way shape fashion or form did you show that a Christian can be held responsible and accountable for others going to hell.

It amazes me that I'm even having this conversation with a supposed 'pillar' of the Reformed community on this board. Blows my mind, for real.

 

One Question?

What has God made known to those you put in blue and does, what was made known, have anything to do with the OP?

 

I think the whole Bible says otherwise about people believing because of miracles.

 

It's easier to attack a strawman rather than deal with the previous teaching that leads into/explains unconditional election, isn't it?

 

Is the New Covenant no different than the Old Covenant (Mosaic/Sinai Covenant)?
Again, I point you to Hebrews 9 and Hebrews 10 so you can see the good news that comes in the New Covenant. To say there is no difference is to admit ignorance.

As long as you teach a required human action being mandatory before God can extend his saving grace, you will be requiring works as the means of salvation. This is the same thing the Judaizers believed and the disciples. This is what lead to the dialogue I shared where Jesus declares "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible." Jesus tells you that your declaration of impossibility, without humans choosing to repent first, is incorrect. With God all things are possible.

 

The gospel is the power of God unto salvation, not seeing miracles.

 

Thank you for proving my point Van.

 

Van, here is the answer : YES
There is enough revealed in scripture to indicate that God is sovereign in everything, even salvation. God has graciously given us humans glimpses of that. But as far as I am concerned, as a Calvinist, everyone who is reached with the gospel has an opportunity to repent and believe. Those that refuse it are responsible for their choice. Those that do not get to hear the gospel are guilty for their own sins but we are part of the plan to reach them and can fail and be guilty of failing. There are some Calvinists on here who might freak out over that but all the Puritans are on my side on this as well as more modern Calvinists like Horatius Bonar, Charles Spurgeon, and moderns like John MacArthur and Paul Washer.

 

I gave you straight up what Christ said in Matthew 11 and Luke 10. Even though Jesus performed miracles in their midst, many did not believe and repent. You are you unwilling to admit your distortions of the Word of God because your ego won't allow it. Scripture is staring you right in the face Van. What is common knowledge among most Christians is denied by you. You don't know the Scriptures well enough to know that many Pharisees were present when Jesus performed his mighty miracles. Yet because their hearts were hardened they would not believe in him and certainly did not repent. When the scribes and Pharisees asked Jesus for a sign (i.e. miracles), no sign was to be given to them except the sign of Jonah.

 

Noticed you didn't actually deal with my post.