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Lordship Salvation VS Easy Believism

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Marooncat79

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He too is always starting the same threads over and over again

I’ll let you explain that to God

you seem to be unteachable, I’m sure that He might get through to you and possibly Zane and others of your ilk
 
SavedByGrace

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Marooncat79 said:
He too is always starting the same threads over and over again

I’ll let you explain that to God

you seem to be unteachable, I’m sure that He might get through to you and possibly Zane and others of your ilk
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What are you on about?

I have never started a thread on this before
 
Reformed1689

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But what do you think about the video clip where the guy mentioned repenting as part of salvation, which is what also John Macarthur believes?
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I haven't watched the video. But that is not what JM believes. JM says repentance comes as a result. Those who are truly saved, true believers, will repent from their sin.
 
Aaron

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There's a pile of self-righteousness in that clip there. What a miserable comfort for the trembling sinner. If I wanted someone to despair of any hope of salvation, I'd send him to this guy.

He tells them to look into themselves for assurance of salvation like the Pharisee praying in the Temple:

God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.

I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.​


Who can pray thus except blind men? It's a horrible trap to be in for those not so blind . . . knowing the wretchedness of the heart, yet being told their works are the source of their assurance. What child of God wouldn't try to do more and more good thinking that soon their doubts, due to the honest appraisal of the sin in his heart, may finally be dispersed? A slave indeed, not to God, but to his sin.

One must be pointed always to Christ, and His finished work on the Cross. And assurance, Paul told us, comes from the witness of the Holy Spirit.

When Satan tempts me to despair
And tells me of the guilt within
Upward I look and see Him there
Who made an end to all my sin.

Because the sinless Savior died,
My sinful soul is counted free
For God the just is satisfied
To look on Him and pardon me.
 
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John Owen taught that inherent within saving faith is the understanding that Jesus is Lord, and an intention to obey him. Most classical Calvinists believed that repentance is either found with faith or is another way of defining an aspect of saving faith.

The idea that looking to your conduct and manner of life as being an important way to check to see if your faith is real is also taught by almost all the old Calvinist Puritans. MacArthur's books on Lordship salvation are good and of course there is Paul Washer's "Shocking Youth Message " on You Tube.

Aaron's point is right too in that we can go too far in any direction. God really is handing out pardons, even to the worst sinners, and we really do just throw ourselves on his mercy. And I speak only for myself but I bet all of us who claim Lordship salvation is true would have to admit that there are plenty of areas of our own lives that do not put Jesus as Lord. The man who stood afar off and said "Lord be merciful to me a sinner" did not need to hear about Lordship salvation at that time. But the rich young ruler did - and Jesus gave him a quick lesson in it.
 
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Reynolds said:
Just imagine, John Macarthur began the Lordship salvation movement.
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John MacArthur, in his book, The Gospel According to Jesus, is responding to those like Lewis Sperry Chafer, and Charles Caldwell Ryrie, and Zane Hodges, John Walvoord, Merrill Unger, etc, who taught what is known as "Easy Believism". Easy-believism teaches conversion through faith alone. It denies that repentance and surrender to Christ are requirements of salvation, as clearly taught in the Holy Bible.

What MacArthur and others have rightly done, is to present the clear Gospel of what salvation really is, as taught in the Holy Bible, as we read in places like Psalm 38:18, "I confess my iniquity; I am sorry for my sin"; Proverbs 28:13, "Whoever conceals his transgressions will not prosper, but he who confesses and forsakes them will obtain mercy"; Luke 18:3, "And the tax collector, standing afar off, would not so much as raise his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me a sinner!’"; 2 Corinthians 7:10, "For godly grief produces a repentance that leads to salvation without regret, whereas worldly grief produces death"; etc, etc
 
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