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Featured Lordship Salvation VS Easy Believism

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by SavedByGrace, Feb 7, 2022.

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  1. 5 point Gillinist

    5 point Gillinist Active Member

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    My wife and I left a church that was teaching "free grace" (also known as cheap grace). Now, grace is free, and a wonderful blessing, but what those who hold to this specific view teach is that discipleship is optional, that one can commit the most grievous sins, leave the faith and live in the world, or even simply make a profession of faith and be saved though their lives show no evidence, and they continue in their worldliness.
    One of the most grievous teachings I heard was the pastor at my former church taught from 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 and claimed that there was a difference between entering and inheriting the kingdom of heaven and that those mentioned in v. 9 and 10 were saved and would enter heaven, but not inherit it. It was at this point I decided that it was time for us to leave.
     
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    Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

    Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

    For my yoke is easy,

    and my burden is light.
     
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    Casting ALL your care upon Him, for He careth for you.

    for He CARETH for you.

    for He careth FOR you.
     
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    Those are both evidences that are the result of the Holy Spirit's work in a person who is saved, my friend.
    They are not things a man must do before they can be saved.
     
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    Read the above, and then read this:

    " For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death."

    Do you see any difference?
     
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    And thank you for posting one of his sermons that proves my point. Here is a quote from that sermon.

    Repentance in the context of the new birth means turning from sin to the Savior. It is an inward response, not external activity, but its fruit will be evident in the true believer's behavior (Luke 3:8).

    It is an evidence of salvation.
     
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    That is a succinct way that MacArthur put it "turning from sin to the savior" - it is a part of faith, that later manifests itself post-rebirth in outward acts.
     
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    I know. It's just funny that you bashing him for "heresy" in one thread, then a few days later starting a thread praising a movement he started in the modern church.
     
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    As the old saying goes, even a heretic is right twice a day.
     
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    Dude you have to call it as it is :Geek
     
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    Dude you need to learn the English language again. He is saying in the quote you give, that for a sinner to be saved they must turn from their sin to JESUS. can't you see that
     
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    To salvation means leading TO which means PRIOR
     
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    I can't see that because that is not what JM preaches. Again, you take things out of context and twist things.
     
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    I have never called MacArthur a heretic but that his teaching on the Blood of Jesus Christ in the video clip is heresy, which is UNBIBLICAL.
     
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    How does a spiritually dead person repent. If God allows the person to repent, even though separated from God (spiritually dead). Did the prodigal son "come to his senses?" Yes.
     
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    Lordship salvation is a misnomer, as ALL once saved have already Jesus established as the Lord over them, but the truth is that he seeks to have us surrender more and more of what we consider our lives to be under that dominion and reign!

    We are justified and saved moment believe and receive lord Jesus, but then we start progressive sanctification, and this is where I see Lds erring, as mixing and mingling the two!
     
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    Already was saved and in a relationship with the father!
     
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    Think that both sides have a partial aspect of the full truth, as its true that one is justified and saved by faith alone, but once saved, God will expect us to mature and grow as disciples!

    So free willers miss that maturity aspect, but Lds at times borders on a works salvation
     
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    From John MacArthur's Study Bible

    ACTS—NOTE ON 2:38 Repent. This refers to a change of mind and purpose that turns an individual from sin to God (1 Thess. 1:9). Such change involves more than fearing the consequences of God’s judgment. Genuine repentance knows that the evil of sin must be forsaken and the person and work of Christ totally and singularly embraced. Peter exhorted his hearers to repent, otherwise they would not experience true conversion (see note on Matt. 3:2; cf. Acts 3:19; 5:31; 8:22; 11:18; 17:30; 20:21; 26:20; Matt. 4:17)

    2 CORINTHIANS—NOTE ON 7:10 grief produces a repentance that leads to salvation. “Grief” here refers to sorrow that is according to the will of God and produced by the Holy Spirit (see note on 2 Tim. 2:25). True repentance cannot occur apart from such a genuine sorrow over one’s sin. The word “leads” is supplied by the translators; Paul was saying that repentance belongs to the realm or sphere of salvation. Repentance is at the very heart of and proves one’s salvation: unbelievers repent of their sin initially when they are saved, and then as believers, repent of their sins continually to keep the joy and blessing of their relationship to God (see notes on 1 John 1:7–9).

    Now tell me that I am twisting JM's words, or taking them out of context, or misunderstand what he says???

    will YOU now admit that YOU have misunderstood and misrepresented what JM teaches, and change your ways?
     
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    WRONG! the main point of Lordship Salvation, is that it must include REPENTANCE before the sinner can be saved, and this continues after salvation. you don't understand what this is about!
     
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