Featured OT Saints were Unregenerate yet sought God

In another thread, the claim was made that no one seeks God unless drawn by the Father. John 6:44 says no one can come to Me (Christ) unless drawn by the Father. The question then arises, why did the OT Saints have to wait in Abraham's bosom, until the New Covenant was inaugurated? If they had "come to Me" (Christ) they would have been made perfect with the blood of Christ. So under the OT, saints came to "God" but not to the future Lamb of God which takes away the sin of the world. Thus scripture teaches people can seek God without being drawn to Jesus.

Can they seek God without God revealing Himself? Of course not. Can anyone be made perfect without being drawn to Christ? Of course not, that is why the OT Saints had to wait to be made perfect. Can people seek God through works rather than faith? Yes, Romans 9. Does that obtain salvation? Nope

So seeking God, even the God of the OT, does not require being drawn to Christ. But obtaining salvation, eternal life with God, does require not only being drawn (attracted) by the Father, but having their faith, as worthless as it may be, credited by God as righteousness.

Does God allow people to seek God and put their trust in Christ? Yes, usually, but not always. Romans 11 teaches God does harden the hearts of some people for His purpose. Ditto for Judas who was not allowed to "come to Jesus." (John 6:65).

In the OT, the promise of the Messiah is there for the believers to believe in. Some of the Apostles were looking for the Messiah so the promise and not the person was known before Christ's public ministry began. And yes "heaven" was promised but the OT saints did not receive that promise, but had to wait until Christ's death. Hebrews 11:39-40.

Did people seek God before God revealed Himself? Nope

2 Chronicles 15:4
“But in their distress they turned to the LORD God of Israel, and they sought Him, and He let them find Him.

2 Chronicles 30:18-20
For Hezekiah prayed for them, saying, “May the good LORD pardon

everyone who prepares his heart to seek God, the LORD God of his fathers, though not according to the purification rules of the sanctuary.”

So the LORD heard Hezekiah and healed the people.

Therefore we have two absolutely proved cases of OT people seeking God.

 

Did you not read my post?

 

The first of the Calvinists responds with a post begotten by froth out of foam. (Hat tip to WSC)

 

Utter falsehood, utter nonsense. People sought God according to scripture, therefore no one seeks God does not mean no one ever seeks God.

 

Another Calvinist hurling the same false charges, ignoring God's word which says people sought God. This is all they have folks, personal attacks.

 

Yes, the Messiah was promised in the OT and some trusted in that promise. They gained approval, without being regenerated
together with Christ until after Christ died. Hebrews 11:39-40

Yes some do not seek God at any time, but others did seek God as scripture proves.

Yes, the Second Person of the Trinity existed when Job lived, Not at issue. Yes the Second Person of the Trinity had been chosen to be the Redeemer when Job lived, even before creation. Again, not at issue.

Thus none of the references answer the OP, but instead provide deflection and diversion.

 

LOL, here you have a clear denial of reading "no one ever seeks" into the text, when the text says some sought God. Utter nonsense

 

Off topic diversion, and a failure to acknowledge the truth of scripture. Obfuscation on display.

 

Yet another off topic personal attack. Note nothing to refute the OP. No one seeks God does not say no one ever seeks God. Perfect English grammar, thus the so called "expert" is simply hoisting a diversionary false charge to change the subject.

 

Psalms 78:34
When He killed them, then they sought Him,
And they returned and searched diligently for God;

Verse after verse from God's word says people sought God in various ways. Thus the interpretation that no one ever seeks after God is a bogus as a three dollar bill.

But will the false teacher come to their senses and repent of their false doctrine? I think not, but I hope so.

 

Chronicles 15:15
All Judah rejoiced concerning the oath, for they had sworn with all their heart and had sought Him earnestly, and He let them find Him. So the LORD gave them rest on every side.

Verse after verse testifies for truth, but the false teachers say "taint so."

Had they been "regenerated" before Christ died? Nope, for all those born anew follow Christ as He is the first born of all the born anew creation.