Lordship Salvation VS Easy Believism

[SavedByGrace]

I have no problem with that, but am concerned when reading or hearing "unless Jesus is Lord over all areas of your life, he is Lord over none:, as have any here actually submitted to Him in full as Lord, nothing ever being held back on "for ourselves>"

I don't think that there is a single Christian since the Church was Founded, who can truthfully say that Jesus Christ was "Lord of all of their life".

 

[Reformed1689]

and based on the teachings of Augustine

Wrong

 

[Reformed1689]

Calvinism is very recent, like 16th century. Jesus Christ, Who is Christianity, is 1st century!

Or like since 6,000 BC and beyond but hey, 16th Century was a good effort.

 

[SavedByGrace]

Wrong

can you post on here, the names of the early Church fathers before Augusitne, that taught "election" and "predestination"?

 

[Reformed1689]

can you post on here, the names of the early Church fathers before Augusitne, that taught "election" and "predestination"?

Paul

 

[Reformed1689]

can you post on here, the names of the early Church fathers before Augusitne, that taught "election" and "predestination"?

Jesus

 

[SavedByGrace]

Or like since 6,000 BC and beyond but hey, 16th Century was a good effort.

Calvin lived 6,000 BC???

 

[Reformed1689]

can you post on here, the names of the early Church fathers before Augusitne, that taught "election" and "predestination"?

John

 

[SavedByGrace]

Paul

He never did as your guys think that he did!

 

[Reformed1689]

Calvin lived 6,000 BC???

Calvinism didn't begin with Calvin.

 

[Reformed1689]

He never did as your guys think that he did!

Of course he did, so much that he wrote it down by inspiration of the Spirit.

 

[SavedByGrace]

John

Back to John 3:15-18, which destroys most of the 5 Points. Even you don't really know what you believe on this passage!

 

[SavedByGrace]

Calvinism didn't begin with Calvin.

so HOW did it get its name??? You are a JOKER!

 

[DaveXR650]

I have no problem with that, but am concerned when reading or hearing "unless Jesus is Lord over all areas of your life, he is Lord over none:, as have any here actually submitted to Him in full as Lord, nothing ever being held back on "for ourselves>"

I think you are right. There has to be a balance and I think it shows that we all need to be in church. There is a place for applied teaching. Some of the writings of guys like Bunyan and Watson can get you depressed and thinking, "I can't do this or I am not saved". Read Edwards on Holy Affections and you will be doubting your salvation in a few minutes. In fairness to MacArthur, he tried not to do that and was only addressing a specific problem that indeed is a big problem in modern evangelicalism.

 

[Reformed1689]

so HOW did it get its name??? You are a JOKER!

Only some people call it Calvinism, not all people. And there are many of us who came to these beliefs from Scripture alone never having heard of Calvin.

 

[Reformed1689]

Back to John 3:15-18, which destroys most of the 5 Points. Even you don't really know what you believe on this passage!

On the contrary, it enforces the points.

 

[kyredneck]

There has to be a balance

Nothing new under the sun:

16 Be not righteous overmuch; neither make thyself overwise: why shouldest thou destroy thyself?
17 Be not overmuch wicked, neither be thou foolish: why shouldest thou die before thy time? Ecc 7

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"Don't be so heavenly minded that you're no earthly good".

 

[JesusFan]

I don't think that there is a single Christian since the Church was Founded, who can truthfully say that Jesus Christ was "Lord of all of their life".

So none could be really saved by an extreme Lordship position!

 

[JesusFan]

I think you are right. There has to be a balance and I think it shows that we all need to be in church. There is a place for applied teaching. Some of the writings of guys like Bunyan and Watson can get you depressed and thinking, "I can't do this or I am not saved". Read Edwards on Holy Affections and you will be doubting your salvation in a few minutes. In fairness to MacArthur, he tried not to do that and was only addressing a specific problem that indeed is a big problem in modern evangelicalism.

Think that Dr mac was and is addressing the big concern that many are sitting in churches on a weekly basis, listen to good sermons, but really never have trusted in Jesus to get saved!

 

[AustinC]

Think that Dr mac was and is addressing the big concern that many are sitting in churches on a weekly basis, listen to good sermons, but really never have trusted in Jesus to get saved!

The writer to Hebrews says they are "drifting."
Hebrews 2:1
Therefore we must pay much closer attention to what we have heard, lest we drift away from it.
Hebrews 3:12-19
Take care, brothers, lest there be in any of you an evil, unbelieving heart, leading you to fall away from the living God. But exhort one another every day, as long as it is called “today,” that none of you may be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin. For we have come to share in Christ, if indeed we hold our original confidence firm to the end. As it is said, “Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion.” For who were those who heard and yet rebelled? Was it not all those who left Egypt led by Moses? And with whom was he provoked for forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose bodies fell in the wilderness? And to whom did he swear that they would not enter his rest, but to those who were disobedient? So we see that they were unable to enter because of unbelief.

There are Baptist preacher's who teach that you can simply say a prayer and be eternally secure, regardless of change of behavior. It is that false teaching to which MacArthur reacted and said there needs to be evidence of Lordship.