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Moving away from Doctrine? Maturity or Apostasy?

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JonC

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Iconoclast said:
In a recent thread a view of a poster suggested that Arminians get "saved"
Then move away from doctrine as they mature.
Do you believe that?
Moving away from doctrine is incremental apostasy.
Joseph Smith and Mary Baker Eddy...moved away from doctrine, claiming God led them to do it.
What do you believe on this?
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It depends on the doctrine they move away from.

Growth towards Spiritual maturity begins with salvation. If you were saved by listening to a Joel Osteen sermon and later realized errors in his doctrine then you would be foolish to remain.

The gospel never changes, but we do grow.

A personal example -

I was saved in a church that rejected divine sovereignty in salvation. God revealed to me that I did not fully understand the salvation I was given and I ended up a Calvinist. Studying Scripture God revealed to me an error in that belief. I gained a lot from Calvinism, and I do not reject what I gained. But it would be unfaithful of me to hold onto aspects of Calvinism that God has demonstrated a serious error.

I pray all Christian will continue to mature spiritually throughout their lives.
 
Reformed1689

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JonC said:
It depends on the doctrine they move away from.

Growth towards Spiritual maturity begins with salvation. If you were saved by listening to a Joel Osteen sermon and later realized errors in his doctrine then you would be foolish to remain.

The gospel never changes, but we do grow.

A personal example -

I was saved in a church that rejected divine sovereignty in salvation. God revealed to me that I did not fully understand the salvation I was given and I ended up a Calvinist. Studying Scripture God revealed to me an error in that belief. I gained a lot from Calvinism, and I do not reject what I gained. But it would be unfaithful of me to hold onto aspects of Calvinism that God has demonstrated a serious error.

I pray all Christian will continue to mature spiritually throughout their lives.
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Agree. I think what is being discussed though, the OP can correct me if I am wrong, is that there are people that don't think doctrine is important.
 
SavedByGrace

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Reformed1689 said:
Again, what does that have to do with the topic or what I said? Nothing.
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Do you even understand what you write? This is what you said in #3

Those who hate doctrine are the least mature believers if believers at all.

You said that those who hate doctrine are the least mature believers if believers at all.

I said that I HATE the unbiblical teaching of Jesus Christ not dying for the entire human race.

Do you grasp this?
 
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JonC said:
It depends on the doctrine they move away from.

Growth towards Spiritual maturity begins with salvation. If you were saved by listening to a Joel Osteen sermon and later realized errors in his doctrine then you would be foolish to remain.

The gospel never changes, but we do grow.

A personal example -

I was saved in a church that rejected divine sovereignty in salvation. God revealed to me that I did not fully understand the salvation I was given and I ended up a Calvinist. Studying Scripture God revealed to me an error in that belief. I gained a lot from Calvinism, and I do not reject what I gained. But it would be unfaithful of me to hold onto aspects of Calvinism that God has demonstrated a serious error.

I pray all Christian will continue to mature spiritually throughout their lives.
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Just curious, what areas were "serious errors?"
 
JonC

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Servant of Lord Jesus said:
Just curious, what areas were "serious errors?"
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There are many. The prosperity gospel is a serious error.

The serious error of Calvinism is that it us built on secular philosophy rather than Scripture. It replaces Satan in the Bible with God and adopts a worldly concept of divine justice.
 
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JonC said:
There are many. The prosperity gospel is a serious error.

The serious error of Calvinism is that it us built on secular philosophy rather than Scripture. It replaces Satan in the Bible with God and adopts a worldly concept of divine justice.
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Ah, you prefer the NPP to the Psa!
 
SavedByGrace

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Reformed1689 said:
No, it literally has nothing to do with what I said. I said hate doctrine, not hate the doctrines of grace which is what I think you read.
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dude, so called "Particular Redemption", as taught by you guys, is a DOCTRINE. Forget trying to make it sould "Bible", by adding the dumb "of grace" to it!
 
JonC

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Servant of Lord Jesus said:
Ah, you prefer the NPP to the Psa!
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No. The NPP focuses too much on Rome and is not yet worked out completely. I prefer the Ransom Theory under a more general Christus Victor theme.

But every major theory except Penal Substitution Theory has a biblical basis. They highlight different aspects of the Atonement but do not make the fatal error of Penal Substitution Theory.
 
SavedByGrace

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Iconoclast said:
No ...that we know is the biblical teaching so I assume you are joking.
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not joking at all, as it is NOT anywhere in the Bible, that Jesus Christ did not die for the entire human race. Something even John Calvin, the supposed founder of Calvinism, taught, when he comments on John 3:16, that Jesus Christ died for "everyone without exception", and not the usual "Reformed" language, "everyone without distinction".
 
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