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Yet another thread on the same issue that has been discussed several times in the past few weeks

 

Why not use the word "reconciliation" rather than the arcane "atonement?"

When are people reconciled, when Christ died, or when God places them into Christ spiritually?

 

The blood stands for the life (e.g. Leviticus 17:11). Otherwise the Lord Jesus could just have had a blood transfusion to save us. In the Lord's Supper we remember the Lord's body, given for us (Luke 22:19) as well as His blood shed for us. The whole of the Lord Jesus' sinless life of obedience (Romans 5:19), as well as His sacrificial death, was a propitiatory offering to God

 

Because they don't mean the same thing. Reconciliation is the result of atonement.
Time for a quick rant.
Genesis 26:18. 'And Isaac dug again the wells of water which they had dug in the days of Abraham his father, for the Philistines had stopped them up after the death of Abraham. He called them by the names which his father had called them.'
I think this is a great verse! We need to find again the great Gospel truths that our fathers in the faith discovered. The dumbing down of doctrine under the pretext of making Christianity more intelligible has been a disaster, witnessed by shrinking congregations and empty churches, certainly in Britain, and I think in America too. we need to get back to great and important words like propitiation and atonement and to explain carefully what they mean to our congregations. The modern-day Philistines have done their best to stop up the wells of salvation by filling them with muck and rubbish. We need to clear out the junk and open them again

 

The meaning of atonement (the English word found in dictionaries) means reconciliation. The Greek word translated as atonement in the KJV, is translated as reconciliation in modern translations. Thus there is no actual difference in meaning, but Calvinism claims their view is the meaning of atonement. Kinda like the special meanings of Gnosticism.

To use arcane words, where the meaning must be provided by indoctrination, is dumb. It is tantamount to engaging in encryption to hide God's intended message and provide a corruption. In other words, the use of arcane words is the muck being used to stop up the life giving well of Christ's living water...

Romans 5:11 (KJV)
And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

Romans 5:11 (NIV)
Not only is this so, but we also boast in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.

 

More so, He was cursed.

 

The breath of the spirit of lives [or] [spirit of the breath of lives] that was in the blood of the sinless Son of God, Jesus making the flesh of him to be, soul living.

Father into hands of you I commend the spirit (of breath of lives) of me. --- Gen 7:22
23:46 καὶ φωνήσας φωνῇ μεγάλῃ ὁ Ἰησοῦς εἶπεν Πάτερ εἰς χεῖράς σου παραθήσομαι τὸ πνεῦμά μου καὶ ταῦτα εἰπὼν ἐξέπνευσεν

ὧν παρεδόθη εἰς θάνατον ἡ ψυχὴ αὐτοῦ from Isa 53:12 which empties unto death the soul [spirit life being of the flesh] of him

Lev 17:11


IMHO

 

Indeed. And they were right to do so as the context shows. What they didn't understand is why.

'Cursed [not 'considered' cursed] is EVERYONE who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.'

'Cursed is EVERYONE who hangs on a tree.' The only reason that Peter and the other Christians, and you and me this very moment are not under the curse of God is that the sinless Son of God, the only Person who did continue in all things written in the book of the law to do them, was made a curse and suffered under the curse for us. 'Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us.' He suffered the curse of God against sinners instead of Peter, other Christians, you and me.. Penal Substitution.

You certainly do.

 

The KJV is wrong in this instance The Greek word katallage means reconciliation (see the NKJV which usually follows the KJV).
The word 'atonement' is best expressed in Greek by hilasmos or hilasterion, though 'propitiation' is a better translation for both of those IMO.
We are reconciled to God, and He to us, by the atonement or propitiation achieved by Christ, but the atonement is not the reconciliation but the means of it.

 

We are not reconciled to God and He to us, when Christ's sacrifice on the cross occurred, but His death did provides the means of reconciliation. We were reconciled to God, when God removed us from the domain of darkness and transferred us spiritually into Christ and His kingdom.

Calvinism ignores our task of begging the lost "to be reconciled" as if everyone has already been reconciled. Unbiblical nonsense.

 

They are reconciled BEFORE they come to faith, just as they are born from above BEFORE they come to faith:

6 For while we were yet weak, in due season Christ died for the ungodly.
8 But God commendeth his own love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
10 For if, while we were enemies, we were reconciled to God through the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, shall we be saved by his life; Ro 5
5 even when we were dead through our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace have ye been saved), Eph 2

 

These verses support being reconciled when we are placed into Christ, and do not support being reconciled when Christ died.

Romans 5:10
For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

The Greek translated enemies can also be translated "hateful" and we were as sinners "hateful" to God. And we were hateful after Christ died as we all were made sinners, and were by nature children of wrath. Thus not reconciled yet.

It is a lock, Calvinism is bogus.