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you did not answer the question

 

Not at all.You do not understand.

 

All of you blame God for mans sin guys seek to put things completely backwards.
You profanely suggest a Holy ,Perfect, God can in any way be unjust and even sin.
Reformed persons start with the revealed truth of all of God's Holy attributes...He never acts inconsistent with His attributes.

 

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I asked you how God described the Assyrians.What did they do? Isa.10
Can you answer that?
How did God use them in His providence?
Did God force them to do anything?
Were they having tea and crumpets,and God demanded them to attack a n d do wicked things?

 

The Decrees of God | Monergism

 

Foreknowledge and Determinism are not the same thing.
Navigating the free will of men to arrive at a desired end and Determinism are not the same thing.
The concept of "nuance" is absent in Calvinism.

 

This is well said. As I said in an earlier post, there are plenty of quotes from notable Calvinists that do indeed make God the author of sin and make it seem He is responsible at a level I am not comfortable with. I think absolute determinism is a weakness of Calvinism and I don't think it is universal in Calvinism.

 

I have answered you, but you have me on ignore. Now you just shout louder, even though you have been answered.

It is sad that human ignorance leads them to questioning the Sovereignty of God in all things. Simply because humans cannot wrap their puny grasp on mortality around God, they then start to accuse God of horrific things...not because God does those things they accuse him of, but solely because humans want God to be made in their image.
This thread, questioning the Sovereignty of God, is a perfect example of idol making.

 

"...which I commanded not, neither came it into my mind..." Jer 7:31; 19:5; 32:35

I've done many many things in my life that He never intended for me to ever do. He DID NOT predestine me to do those things. He predestined me to be conformed to the image of His Son, not to do the evil deeds that I have done.

'Overruling providence' (Romans 8:28) is much preferred over the unbiblical 'predestination of all things' of absolutism and Calvinism.

 

Then how about you explain Isaiah 10

 

It means to decree something. It does not mean that the person who ordains something is directly the cause of all the events that occur for it to come about. If I own a business, and I decide to open a branch in the next town over, I might first look for a manager who wants to manage the branch and when I find him I let him go to accomplish what I ordained. In this case. The manager wanted a chance to manage - I did not make him do it against his will, yet what I ordained came about.

In that sense God ordained that Adam fall. Adam did fall but he did so by his choice and free will. God did not make Adam sin and did not place Adam's hand on the fruit as he brought it to his mouth. Some Calvinists do make it seem that God did have his hands over Adams hands. That is what I don't agree with.

 

Look out, he is a Hebrew expert too!

 

Overruling providence and Romans 8:28 are favorite verses of Calvinists. Meticulous, absolute determinism of every minute event is not a universal tenet of Calvinism.

But as Edwards says, there is a sense that if God has foreknowledge that something will infallibly come to pass - and if God has the ability to allow it or not - then it is possible to say that God ordained it. He could have stopped it but did not. It is true that in that way God is responsible and at that point we have to submit and not comment. We are not God. Our responsibilities are more clear and suited to our makeup. If I go into a neighbors house and notice that he is making a bomb on the kitchen table, and I don't do anything - I am morally culpable. Not so with God. He has a right to use an evil person like that, doing what he wants to do, to make him part of some greater chain of events that are ordained. I would challenge anyone to come up with a better answer than Edwards in this area.